Ginger asking her Dad for driving lessons.
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freeist — 13 years ago(February 14, 2013 11:57 PM)
Wait! Be fair.
Ginger didn't kill Trina. Trina died an accidental death.
Strange thing is, if they had called the police, they probably wouldn't have been charged. However, Ginger was is no condition to be questioned by the police.
I thought it could have been that Ginger wanted to lure him out for the kill, or, as she knew the full moon would manifest the next day, she knows her life is ending, and she wanted to do something she always looked forward to.
Either way, I don't think Henry would have lived if he went out that night with Ginger. I don't think she could restrain herself. -
gingersnapsaddict18 — 13 years ago(March 18, 2013 02:57 PM)
My take on that? I honestly think she was considering Brigitte's words.."Just until there's no doubt about us in this. And then we blow, as far away from here as possible." Ginger may have been starting to realize that things were really getting out of control..And she may have asked Henry to teach her how to drive in order for her and B to be able to get the hell out of there? That was always my interpretation
"We're closed. Take a free pumpkin and beep off!" -Sam -
rosepetals334 — 9 years ago(June 17, 2016 09:00 PM)
gingersnaps addict, that's how i saw it alsohowever, i also got the feeling that ginger would of blown out of there without bridgett if her wolf hormones commanded her enough.
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Morbius_Fitzgerald — 9 years ago(July 27, 2016 11:48 PM)
I'd honestly say either "changing the subject" or "something she really wanted to try before she was gone"
"Luring him away for the kill" doesn't seem likely as I think she'd know that even if she had the get out clause of "we had a terrible car accident", she'd never be able to explain it. Every other kill in this movie has, to a point, that distinction. -
am-23762 — 9 years ago(September 07, 2016 02:09 PM)
Hmm, I always thought she wanted to learn so she could get away, but maybe it's as simple or innocent as that, that she was just changing the subject or that she wanted to do it before she turned.
Her general apathetic attitude and the quote "What if next year never comes?" makes me think she knew it was over for her. This is also supported in the bathroom scene later on where's she's cutting her tail off. She defended her actions, saying that she was "just taking it off", but she seemed to know that she was a monster and had to be stopped. She couldn't realistically have known that cutting her tail off would stop it. Perhaps she just knew that she would bleed to death after severing the tail, so in a sense it actually would stop it.
Perhaps her response to Bee as she walked away from the table earlier on is telling too. Bee told her to wait, could be interpreted that she was asking her to hold off on doing anything drastic, i.e. killing herself. Ginger replied by saying "For what, Bee?"
Maybe Bee twigged that Ginger might do something extreme.
It didn't ever cross my mind that she was trying to kill Henry though. I don't personally see that there would have been any point. He hadn't to my knowledge, witnessed anything that she had done, unless he was suspicious after the scene in the kitchen with the blood. I don't think so however. -
freeist — 9 years ago(September 22, 2016 05:52 PM)
In the night before the full moon, how and what would she have been thinking in the dark car with her father, who she doesn't much regard for? We know that she gets these urges to tear things to pieces, and Brigitte was sleeping with a baseball bat. Despite the way it finally happened, there didn't have to be any point. Even so, I'm sure she had some pent up resentment against her father.
"What if next year never comes?" There she's giving her parents a hint, knowing that they'll blow it off. "Hey, my life is in danger!" That really underscores the detachment between suburban parents and children.
The tail, IMHO (as everything here is) Ginger had the knife intending to commit suicide. But whether the beast wouldn't let her, or she just chickened out, she didn't do it. Instead, she tried to cut off the tail, the thing that reminded her she was no longer human. It was her way of rejecting the beast. Whatever else Ginger does later, you know that she wasn't willfully embracing it. -
am-23762 — 9 years ago(October 31, 2016 07:13 AM)
You see, I'm not entirely convinced that she was as out of control as she appeared, or at least as out of control as she wanted Brigitte to think. In my mind, she tried to use it as an excuse to gain sympathy from her sister. This was especially evident in one of the deleted scenes where she and Brigette had a talk in the bedroom, and Ginger pleaded her case to Bee, and Bee simply said: "PMS is the least of your problems."
By that point, I think she had started to harden up and wasn't giving her sister much leeway any more.
I think she knew what she was doing to an extent, or the things she was doing were things she wanted to do, but wasn't physically able to do in the past. This supports my theory that Ginger always was screwed up on the inside, long before she changed physically. She saw herself as a victim, even after sexually assaulting Jason. And as I've heard before, victims don't dream of equality, they dream of getting even, and in a big way.
There was a purpose behind most of the killings, or at least there was a purpose to her. She killed Mr. Wayne because he was a thorn in her side and was going to complicate matters for her in the long run but I think she used Brigitte as an excuse for the excessive murder that she committed, saying that "he wanted to screw her" (from a deleted scene, and which was a very ambiguous statement, which I think John wanted to encourage, because in the casting/rehearsals, it was "wanted to **** you") or from the actual film that 'he was going to call Pamela said we needed help, so I stopped him'. She used that as a way to try and reaffirm their bond.
She killed the janitor because, as she claims, he saw the body of Mr. Wayne, but I think she really just held a deep disliking for him, which was evident from the beginning. Why, I can't say, perhaps because it seemed as though he might be an obstacle that got in the way of her bond with Brigitte, and she didn't like it. She was very possessive of Brigitte, and she became jealous whenever anyone else paid her attention. Could also be in a demented sort of way to reaffirm their bond, but if so that backfired horribly, because while Brigette was all for covering up Mr. Wayne's murder, she saw the janitor as innocent, even if he had witnessed something.
Which leads me to Sam. Basically more or less the same reason she killed him as the other two, because they got in the way of her relationship with her sister, although it was interesting how she kept him alive as a way to entice Brigitte to accept her destiny as part of the pact near the end, but when Brigitte refused, she then killed him.
I didn't really get why she went to the greenhouse looking for Sam in the first place, but it seems as though a lot of people seem to think that it was with the intention to kill him, but she totally made out with him first, and it might have gone further than that too, whether that was to rub salt in the wounds for Brigette or because there was a genuine attraction to him, or she wanted to infect him, I'm not certain. But in short, I suppose the most obvious answer is that she wanted him out of the way.
tl;dr: Perhaps if Henry was to be killed, it was more of a way to get even with Pam, who I think she had a more genuine resentment of. I didn't personally see the same feelings towards Henry. I continues on with that sort of thread of ulterior motives behind most of the killings. -
freeist — 9 years ago(October 31, 2016 09:34 PM)
Deleted scenes are like dream sequences: some or none of it might have happened. Some scenes are definitely taken out because they couldn't have happened. I didn't really like the PMS scene. For one thing, a matter of budget, Ginger wasn't nearly as violent as I'd want a werewolf to be. Ripping pictures off the walls? How about ripping through the walls.
This brings up another thought that only occurred to me when I began to love this film: the story takes place over a month. Yet, it's only about 106 minutes long. So, of that entire month, we only get a selected, 106 minute sample of what transpired. Some of the missing details are a lot more interesting to think about than anything in the deleted scenes.
I have to disagree with you about Ginger being more in control. Though it raises sticky questions. How much was "her" at that point? She did a few things that suggest that she was as out of control as she looked. When Brigitte found her in the bathroom trying to lop off her tail, was Ginger being manipulative then? After Trina took out the knife, Ginger suddenly seems apologetic. Did she catch herself just then? Now, she might have been faking there. But then when Trina bleeds, Ginger seems paralyzed. She's quite different from the raging maniac she was a few minutes before.
Yes, Ginger was screwed up to begin with. The sisters' relationshipthough close, and based deep down on lovewas unhealthy. It was stifling. Look at the basement they slept in. You see no posters of normal things teen girls would have. Instead, they have pictures of themselves. They were totally alienated from the world.
Why did Ginger go after Sam? I explore this in a fan fiction novel I've been writing and rewriting. At least in some version I did. I thought of some good reasons. First, let's state the obvious: he was hot. Ginger was physically attracted to him, no matter what her opinion of his personality. For the rest, two important details hint at the answer. Ginger didn't just go to tryst with Sam, she told her sister that's what she was doing. This is at the same time she tells Brigitte to stay out of her way. So, with the bond broken, why didn't Ginger just kill Brigitte?
She wanted Brigitte to catch them in the act.
IMHO: she wanted to prove to Brigitte that Sam's only interest was in getting laid. Being caught in the act would prove Ginger right and would break the strands between the sisters. Also, it was a trap. Brigitte disobeyed Ginger's warning, Ginger kills her. Then she either forms a pack with Sam, who would be infected, or kills him, too. I favor the former.
But Sam ruins it by snubbing her. So he's very important. Ginger could have just raped him, but Brigitte interrupting a rape would have ruined the whole point. She had to tear Sam down in Brigitte's eyes.
That was Ginger's scheme, which makes her classically evil.
In horror, often a character flaw is shown, and then it comes back a few orders of magnitude worse after the crisis. Stephen King does that all the time. John Fawcett does that to excellent effect -
am-23762 — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 04:45 AM)
Continuing my thoughts on the possible attempt to kill Henry, it was an interesting observation where Ginger only killed males in the story, not counting the sex of the dogs she killed, and not Trina, because that was an accident.
My point summarised is she killed men to get even with or to manipulate the women in her life, chiefly Brigitte. If she was going to kill Henry while out driving, she was a fool for announcing it at the table the way she did, because at least in my mind it would have been hard to convince Brigitte not to come with, and she would have witnessed the murder if she had, and that would have driven an even larger wedge between the two. Also, Pam and Brigitte would have known that she was the only person with Henry when he died, so she would have had to make it look like an accident somehow, which I suppose isn't entirely out of the question, since No one thinks chicks do beep like this anyway.
Ideally, she should have framed Pam for the murder, and then that would have been both parents out of the way, although there really was no need, seeing as at least in the deleted scenes, Pam turned herself in for the murder of Trina. Whether she would have done so for the murder of Henry, I'm not entirely convinced. They had their marital issues, and while she was willing to leave with the girls (though I was never sure if when she intended to burn the house down, whether Henry would have been inside it or not) it may well have put her in an even worse state of mind, and she would have been less likely to turn herself in.
The actual motive for killing Henry is another matter. If it was due to cravings, and she only interacted with certain males in the story, her father would have trusted her enough for her to pounce on him when the time was right more so than her mother might have done, which is another reason why it was easier to go for Henry in the end. I dare say the mother was wiser, and she turned down the idea of driving lessons for Ginger straight away, saying maybe she could do it the following year.
Reading the book John Fawcett's Ginger Snaps by Ernst Mathijs, Ginger has a definite issue with male authority, seen in particular when she kills Mr. Wayne. Perhaps she saw her dad as the ultimate figure of authority in her life and she wanted rid of him. And she would have had to if she wanted to get out of Bailey Downs anyway. Her parents were two of the main obstacles standing in their way in the end.
So while I still don't personally see much in the way of animosity between Ginger and her father given her limited interactions with him, there could have been other reasons why she wanted him gone, but if so I'd be less inclined to believe it was due to resentment or cravings. Male authority figure/obstacle in her path that needs disposing of, perhaps.
She probably would have had to do it sooner or later if they wanted to escape, although I figure that was more Brigitte's idea than Ginger's. I think Ginger was more dedicated to the part of the pact where they were together, especially more towards the end.