Was Ginger still 'Ginger' after she fully transformed?
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Morbius_Fitzgerald — 11 years ago(July 24, 2014 12:47 AM)
I think it definitely had some human characteristics but the whole movie is basically her animal instincts taking over. Why would it necessarily stop there? The thing displays it is smarter than a typical animal, I mean, if it wasn't, it probably would've just ate Sam in the hallway without considering Brigitte, only thinking of them as prey. The way the wolf acts in the last scene, it suggest that it knows Brigitte and it aggressively wants her to join her "Together Forever" as it were.
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FilmKoala — 11 years ago(July 25, 2014 07:14 PM)
Okay, maybe "mindless animal" wasn't the correct term to use, my bad. Watching the final scene in the basement, Gingerwolf is clearly not mindless. But I feel like the Ginger we knew throughout the course of the film is gone. Gingerwolf has the memories of Ginger, but her animal instincts have taken over completely. I just don't believe if she was still herself that she would try and kill Brigitte.
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freeist — 11 years ago(July 27, 2014 09:50 PM)
Yes, that's true, but Ginger wasn't exactly herself since right after she was attacked. At that very time, she began doing things that Brigitte either found weird or definitely not Ginger. I mean within minutes, she swears Brigitte to secrecy about the attack. Remember how Brigitte looked at her then?
The movie doesn't give us a lot of time to get to know Ginger. We know her mostly through the slideshow. We know she was protective of Brigitte. And that gets distorted as Ginger changes. We know she was depressed by the prospects life was giving her, that the hated the idea of becoming an adult, that she was terrified of growing up and turning into her mother. We know how much importance she attached to her and Brigitte's oath.
Whatever Brigitte said, "I can't, I won't" to, it was the last straw to Ginger. For me, I really think that Ginger, in own perverse, monstrous way, was trying to repair their bond. Remember, Brigitte is infected. They've now "swapped some juice." Therefore, Brigitte is becoming Ginger's sister again, or is destined to.
Ginger has infected Sam, and she's letting him heal. She letting him join their pack (and perhaps they will share him? The thought must have made Brigitte shudder.) She's giving him to Brigitte. And they're drinking his blood. That's very important. Because it's another blood oath. -
am-23762 — 9 years ago(September 08, 2016 02:31 AM)
Yeah, that part about Sam is interesting, especially when you compare his death the janitor's. Ginger killed the janitor rather than let him heal. Even though he was a witness to the killing of Mr. Wayne, it wouldn't have made much difference when he turned, because he would have undergone psychological and physical changes himself and likely wouldn't have been a problem for long once he turned, but Ginger hated him, so she outright killed him.
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InsecureNeuroticControlFreak — 11 years ago(August 09, 2014 11:53 AM)
Other than the scene where she kills Sam after Brigitte refuses to take part in the blood-licking, I don't feel there was any of "Ginger' left. The real Ginger would never hunt or try to kill Brigitte. She may kick the beep out of Brigitte, but she would never do anything other than bully her.
That's why I feel the animal at the end was not Ginger. Maybe a self-aware animal more intelligent than the average beast due to its original human nature, but definitely not Ginger. What Brigitte killed was no longer her sister.
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watcher101 — 11 years ago(September 25, 2014 11:59 AM)
I think the virus was kind of like the Venom suit from Spiderman 3. It amplified anger, aggression, and violent tendencies in a person, and brought on a euphoria when committing acts of violence. In a sense, the mind remained intact, but the desire to shed blood continued to grow until the person stops resisting, much as a vampire would "vamp out" around blood. Ginger stopped resisting early on, but in the sequel, Brigitte fought against what her instincts were telling her to do. It seems that, once the transformation is complete. Instinct completely overpowers the mind, and the person eventually stops caring and resisting, losing themself to it, perhaps even forgetting that they were even human. I suppose, it a way, it's a lot like rabies.
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JonnyGannett — 11 years ago(January 13, 2015 09:55 AM)
The Ginger pre being bitten wouldn't have tried to kill her. However as a few others have shared incites into the mindset of Ginger and Brigitte I'll add a bit to it. Based on Karen's commentary track on the special edition DVD she states that the movie begins with one fundamental question: Is Brigitte willing to die with Ginger? Throughout the movie Ginger changes in two ways. She's going through puberty, which is her worst nightmare, she's on edge because of her cramps and it makes her aggressive and bitchy. But, she also as she's having her period throughout the first bit of her transformation which just amplifies her emotions even more than changing would have on it's own.
I'd say that most definitely Ginger IS still Ginger, and is fully aware.
She understands Brigitte, and remembers her. Brigitte tries to bridge the gap between her and Ginger at last by
drinking Sam's blood
with her as a way of showing her dedication to her sister. But when she says "I can't, I won't!" I'd say based on Ginger's reaction that was it for them. She sees it as the last straw, the final betrayal. She picks Sam over her again. So what does she do?
She instantly kills him to spite her. Either that or to show her the consequences of betraying her.
From then on she seems hellbent on attacking her. However it's possible she might not be trying to kill her. It just occured to me that maybe she just wanted to bite her to speed up the transformation or something. Could be wrong. However even after she still begs Ginger to stop and says "Ginger, please it's me!" She wants desperately to save her sister.
But when the time came to try and save her sister with the cure, she panics and stabs her in fear instead because she doesn't want to die. I also think Brigitte saying "I'm not dying here in this room with you!" REALLY pushes Ginger over the edge too. She completely betrays the pact they made and refuses to die with her. It's probably one of the most depressive moving endings I've ever seen. The first time a movie surpassed it for me was after seeing Martyrs. She instantly regrets her choice and wishes desperately she could have been braver and stronger. And to add insult to injury, pour salt in her wounds, she never gets to see Ginger's human body again after her decision takes away her sister forever. And then she lays down and listens to her heart slowing until it stops beating while crying in agony.
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am-23762 — 9 years ago(September 08, 2016 02:49 AM)
I think what watcher101 said makes sense. She stopped resisting the urges and just gave in to it. She was a lot weaker in character than Bee was. Bee was really the stronger one of the two. She ultimately proved that later on in the film and in the sequel.
I sometimes think that Ginger likely suffered with something, perhaps antisocial personalty disorder, but was ultimately powerless being in the body she was in. That changed when she started to turn though. It's in the description of the film on a lot of websites. Basically she used her new powers to get even with the world.
This might be a stretch but I do sometimes compare the two to Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. Eric Harris was this psychopath who viewed himself as a messianic figure of sorts and Dylan was the depressive follower. That's a bit how I viewed the relationship between the two. And it was hard at times to be able to tell, but I think Ginger was messed up even before she turned, and that's what made her a lot more violent during her transformation than Bee's for instance.
So yes, Ginger was long gone before she was in the back of the van, but personally I think she may well have been long gone even before she was bitten, personally. I think even if she hadn't been bitten, she would have had a hell of a life, and probably would have ended up like Mary Mason out of American Mary or something.
I don't think she would have killed herself, because she wasn't depressed anyway. Bee was depressed, Ginger was in it because I think she was more extroverted and more of a showman. She wanted to shock people. She liked playing dead, and even more so, she liked the attention that she got from others after the slideshow. This is backed up near the end of the film where Bee says that Ginger only wanted to die because she had nothing better to do. Once Ginger had something better to do, i.e. being popular etc., she quickly dropped the idea of dying or even being cured. She liked what she had become, but it was a complete reversal of what she was, which was basically a coward. -
matthi-92639 — 9 years ago(May 10, 2016 08:41 PM)
Brigitte says it best, "There wasn't much of Ginger left in what I killed" -Ginger Snaps 2
Not much of the lycanthrope mythos is explained in this film. Based on the sequel, we're led to believe the transformation's irreversible and Brigitte's desperately seeking a way to postpone it indefinitely, or at least buy as much time for herself as possible.
I think it's safe to say based on what we know from the films that some part of Ginger was still lingering on post transformation; with that said I don't believe it would have been that way for long. -
rosepetals334 — 9 years ago(June 17, 2016 08:48 PM)
i agree with matthi..plus in all three movies, with all the 'together forever' crap, i kept wondering how ginger kept from killing her sister? I would think that her new werewolf instincts would command her to kill her, despite being sisters and B not being turned into a werewolf.
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