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Why would he hurt Mason though?

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    Edward_de_Vere — 9 years ago(May 11, 2016 12:14 PM)

    One thing I disliked about Thomas Harris' later novels is that he fell in love with his own character. In
    Red Dragon
    (and in the film
    Manhunter
    ), Hannibal Lecter was completely amoral. He was helping Dollarhyde murder entire families, including children, and wasn't particular in his own choice of victims.
    In later novels, Harris turned Hannibal Lecter into some sort of avenging superhero protecting damsels in distress. I much preferred the nihilistic, amoral Lecter as a character.

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      LetThemEatCake01 — 9 years ago(May 15, 2016 12:55 AM)

      Exactly my problem, this humanizing of psychopaths.

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        StephieVee — 9 years ago(July 13, 2016 08:09 PM)

        I concur!

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          LetThemEatCake01 — 9 years ago(May 15, 2016 12:51 AM)

          I don't see a point in that other than to "humanize" Hannibal, it's a cop-out to me.

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            Edward_de_Vere — 9 years ago(May 18, 2016 08:42 AM)

            In the novel
            Red Dragon
            , Lecter asks Graham why he should help him with the Tooth Fairy case. Graham's instinctive response is to tell Hannibal that the Tooth Fairy is murdering entire families, including children, but then corrects himself when he realizes such moral concerns wouldn't motivate Lecter to help in the slightest (while the intellectual challenge of the case might).
            So how did we get from that nihilistic Lecter to the avenging superhero Lecter who kills people as punishment for being rude to women or cruel to children and animals? Lecter went from a cannibal version of Dr. Moriarty in the early novels to a cannibal version of Batman or Superman in the later ones.

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              LetThemEatCake01 — 9 years ago(May 18, 2016 09:33 AM)

              I agree, it kinda sucks.

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                crakatoot — 9 years ago(June 26, 2016 05:59 AM)

                I disagree. I don't think Lector left him alive. I think he just survived. Lector snapped his neck, I think it's fair to say Lector wanted him dead. Also the guy was rich and his parents prob got him the best medical stuff to keep him alive. And in the book it's mentioned that Lector had three of victims survive. Will Graham, Verger and some other unnamed person that went crazy after the attack.
                i told you not to stop the boat. Now lets go. Apocaylpse Now

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                  Edward_de_Vere — 9 years ago(June 29, 2016 07:53 AM)

                  I don't think Lector left him alive. I think he just survived. Lector snapped his neck, I think it's fair to say Lector wanted him dead.
                  When Mason asks Lecter whether he regrets not finishing him off, Lecter's response is "No, because I prefer you just the way you are" or something like that, implying that his goal was to leave Mason a mutilated cripple rather than to kill him outright.
                  And in the book it's mentioned that Lector had three of victims survive. Will Graham, Verger and some other unnamed person that went crazy after the attack.
                  The third surviving victim is probably the nurse whose tongue he ate (we see a video clip of Lecter attacking her in
                  Hannibal
                  , and she's mentioned in
                  Silence of the Lambs
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                    tearsnhoney — 9 years ago(September 16, 2016 06:41 AM)

                    When I saw this film, on cable, the first time, I had no idea Gary Oldman played Mason! I didn't realize until much later who it was.
                    Oldman is a good character actor.
                    Mason was a one dimensional, creepy, bore, living to torture Hannibal.
                    I'd always wondered why Mason was chair bound. I assumed there were other injuries involved. Funny how I wanted Hannibal to win over Mason!
                    I believe that was the intention!

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                      gottaluvafriend — 9 years ago(October 01, 2016 10:04 AM)

                      Wow, very nice! Really.

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