Bad…and I'm a real fan of dystopias
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the_la_baker — 12 years ago(June 27, 2013 01:03 PM)
The movie sucks. IMDB has a high rating because of fan boys like you. Ask around in real life(if you know anyone there), its considered a stinker. Check out rotten tomatoes.
You can like the movie despite its abundant flaws and stupidity, thats fine. Just stop trying to convince people it is a coherent and/or profound film. It is not.
I like bad movies myself, like Super Troopers. I found it to be very entertaining, but there is no doubt it is a bad film. I don't need to try and justify why I like it by saying its a good movie and doesn't suck, I like it for what it is, a low budget silly comedy with poor pacing and a very weak plot/story arch. You should like equilibrium for what it is, a rip off of almost every classic sci-fi concept repackaged with a insane premise and a "new"(nonsensical) fighting style, not what it isn't, A good film.
[If someone left ''1984,'' ''Fahrenheit 451,'' ''Brave New World,'' ''Gattaca'' and the Sylvester Stallone potboilers ''Judge Dredd'' and ''Demolition Man'' out in the sun and threw the runny glop onto a movie screen, it would still be a better picture than ''Equilibrium,'' a movie that could be stupider only if it were longer.] -"FILM REVIEW; Preventing World War IV By Outlawing All Emotion
By ELVIS MITCHELL
Published: December 06, 2002"
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/06/movies/film-review-preventing-world-war-iv-by-outlawing-all-emotion.html -
Hallucinogen-X — 12 years ago(June 27, 2013 03:24 PM)
The movie sucks. IMDB has a high rating because of fan boys like you. Ask around in real life(if you know anyone there), its considered a stinker. Check out rotten tomatoes.
Rotten Tomatoes seriously?Is this your first time on the internet?No one with a brain takes Rotten Tomatoes scores seriously.Their critics are idiots.Some of the best movies have a low Rotten Tomatoes rating.BTW it has a 82% audience rating on Rotten Tomatoes and a 8.2 user score on Metacritic and a 7.6 here on IMDb.
So yeah this movie rocks,that's the general opinion.So it's actually you who's in the minority and it's you who's convincing people that this movie is bad not me.People are already convinced that this movie rocks.
Oh yes i'm a fan boy and i have a worldwide network of millions of other fan boys and when the movie came out we all stormed IMDb and wrote positive reviews.It's a global conspiracy since this movie is obviously so bad since YOU hate it.Seriously how much more pathetic can you get?
I like bad movies myself, like Super Troopers.
Super Troopers is a bad movie?Are you kidding me?Everyone loves Super Troopers!
I guess you should stick to comedies.Science Fiction movies that make you think,require a little leap of faith and require you to use your brain and connect the dots would be brushed off by your neanderthal brain as stupid.Mindless comedies fit you perfectly.
I like it for what it is, a low budget silly comedy with poor pacing and a very weak plot/story arch. You should like equilibrium for what it is, a rip off of almost every classic sci-fi concept repackaged with a insane premise and a "new"(nonsensical) fighting style, not what it isn't, A good film.
Low Budget?Do you know what that means?The movie easily has a budget of 15 million +.Do you know the difference between the words rip off and inspired?By your logic every movie about space or aliens is a "rip off" of Alien.You name 6 movies that equilibrium apparently ripped off!6!.Do you seriously not see how stupid that is? -
VicBooth — 12 years ago(July 11, 2013 06:13 AM)
Have you ever thought of arguing conceptual instead of pedantically? You might actually be able to convince someone other than yourself that your opinion has any validity at all.
Anyway, While it is true that popular opinion dictates norms and that if enough people eat a crap sandwich it can be considered an actual dish, there is another tier of opinion sets that are considered more influential than others. This is because taste is essentially biased by class and social division.
It's the reason why Crocs reached $1 billion in sales but are still the ugliest shoes in the world, why Pitbull is a very successful artist who everyone hates and why Equilibrium is a truly awful film that has a rabid following (many -read:all- of whom have posed way better arguments in its defence than you).
This concept is known as the cultural hegemony.
And if you wanted I could write you a dissertation on why Manos: Hands of Fate is really a misunderstood masterpiece that's a gripping allegory for sexual maturity and paternal defiance and probably make it far more compelling than your collection of straw man arguments, a person just has to watch it to no that's not true.
But that's taste though. The more your try to rationalise your opinion, the more it seems like you no clue what it means (I'm not using the royal you by the way. I mean you). -
Hallucinogen-X — 12 years ago(July 12, 2013 06:06 PM)
If you would untwist your panties you'd notice that most of the time,rather than arguing opinions,i've argued facts.You claim that the movie is filled with plot holes and i simply point out how there are none.But when you've made up your mind that the movie sucks and is full of plot holes you'd do anything to defend your position.I don't expect you to realize the ridiculousness of your claims since admitting one was wrong is something that takes courage.
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VicBooth — 12 years ago(July 16, 2013 01:47 AM)
Retconning a plausible explanation for a plot hole that wasn't properly illustrated in the film cant be included so everything on the FAQ page is entirely inadmissible. That's the basic storytelling, really. Otherwise one could use a wild explanation to solve any plot hole.
But even Dostoevsky-like plot cogency wouldn't save it from being awful.
Secondly,just because a story has similar tones and outlines to another story does not make it a cheap imitation.If that's true then every movie about space or aliens is a copy of Aliens.
You've confused sub-genres with a plotline.
The direction was excellent.
You've displayed nothing but a complete ignorance with everything to do with film, so you're opinion is patently unqualified. Instead I'll trust the fact that Kurt Wimmer only been allowed to helm one other film after that, which was universally panned by critics and the public. But it still broke even because of "people" like you.
And his writing has yet to receive even the smallest hint of acclaim from any film body. His Hollywood failures are only beaten by Troy Duffy.
You mention that all characters are one dimensional yet name only three.
Well 4 (as you clearly quoted). But yeah, those are the principal characters (another storytelling basic) and yes they must experience development, which is actually a different word from epiphany (last storytelling basic, I hope).
The drug never eradicates emotions,it merely suppresses them and it does not even suppress them all,it only suppresses harmful emotions such as rage but as a consequence emotions like love are suppressed too and so is empathy but as explained in the movie,that is the price they are willing to pay
That, incredibly long, sentence is contradictory. It doesn't suppress all emotion but all emotions are subsequently suppressed? So it doesn't suppress say, "joy, love, and elation"?
The drug suppresses emotion to the degree that his superior find him missing the presence of his wife suspicious. This is called Ego-attachment and its quite a deep psychological layer. Sufficed to say that this is a suppression level that would eradicate expressions of surprise and alarm. So it would be out of place for a guard to say something like "Oh beep
Also the two main villains are the only one who express maximum emotions and it's quite obvious by the end that they were not on the drug.
Loved this one, loved it. Because it pointed out yet another absurd plot hole: A sense offender superior enlists the help of another sense offender cleric to coax a potential superstar sense offender cleric to rebel and subsequently weed out an underground movement of sense offenders?
The movie invented a whole new style of action never blah blah blah
Straw man argument (look that up). I don't know what I would've done in that situation but "spring tiny nailheads from my gun butts and start pistol whipping a bunch of helmet wearing cops until they die" would've been last on any compiled list. This is dissonance is called: plot congruity.
Well your opinion (that Equilibrium sucked) doesn't belong in the majority either.
See my entire previous post and Kurt Wimmer's joke of a career after this film. Even Uwe Boll did better.
The rest of your points go over how your plot interpretations differ from mine and misguided attempts at exploring semantics, which doesn't speak to the films merits at all so those are all void.
Now that I've empirically proven you wrong (against my better judgement) maybe you can actually argue with me on an intellectual level so this can be a challenge for me. Although I imagine your next post will resemble your other tireless attempts to veil your opinion and description of the movie as actual arguments. Although I imagine that's more a product of ignorance than courage. -
Hallucinogen-X — 12 years ago(July 16, 2013 04:17 AM)
Retconning a plausible explanation for a plot hole that wasn't properly illustrated in the film cant be included so everything on the FAQ page is entirely inadmissible. That's the basic storytelling, really. Otherwise one could use a wild explanation to solve any plot hole.
The FAQ clearly states that there were parts of the movie which clearly explained the apparent plot hole but unfortunately they could not make it to the final cut.
However the FAQ clearly explains how even without those scenes,there is no plot hole,it just requires a bit more explanation.It's not a "wild explanation".
You've confused sub-genres with a plotline.
Oh really?Equilibrium is clearly inspired by many movies such as Fahrenheit 451,it does not copy their plot,it copies their themes.There are similarities in plot with other movies but that does not make it a rip-off.Like i said it it's a rip off,then every movie about aliens is a rip-off of Aliens.
You've displayed nothing but a complete ignorance with everything to do with film, so you're opinion is patently unqualified.
Yes,because the great Vicbooth says so.
Instead I'll trust the fact that Kurt Wimmer only been allowed to helm one other film after that, which was universally panned by critics and the public. But it still broke even because of "people" like you.And his writing has yet to receive even the smallest hint of acclaim from any film body. His Hollywood failures are only beaten by Troy Duffy.
Kurt Wimmer has been the writer of some great movies which are both publicly and critically acclaimed including movies like Law Abiding Citizen,Salt,The Thomas Crown Affair.What were you saying about displaying complete ignorance again?
Well 4 (as you clearly quoted). But yeah, those are the principal characters (another storytelling basic) and yes they must experience development, which is actually a different word from epiphany (last storytelling basic, I hope).
The characters were developed just fine by every standard of character development especially that of Preston.Plus it's a movie where people don't feel emotions.Where exactly did you find lack of character development,what according to you would develop characters?
That, incredibly long, sentence is contradictory. It doesn't suppress all emotion but all emotions are subsequently suppressed? So it doesn't suppress say, "joy, love, and elation"?
No all emotions are not suppressed unless by your definition all emotions include happiness,sadness,anger and love.
The drug suppresses emotion to the degree that his superior find him missing the presence of his wife suspicious. This is called Ego-attachment and its quite a deep psychological layer.
Missing someone shows love and empathy,emotions that the drug suppresses.Hence why the guards find it odd.The drug does not suppresses emotions like shock and fear.
Loved this one, loved it. Because it pointed out yet another absurd plot hole: A sense offender superior enlists the help of another sense offender cleric to coax a potential superstar sense offender cleric to rebel and subsequently weed out an underground movement of sense offenders?
Congratulations.You have now officially proven that you didn't understand jack beep about the movie and hence think it's stupid.
The point is control.Nobody questions the authority of Father and he lives like a king controlling a population of robot like people devoid of emotions.So it's pretty obvious why a resistance of people who feel emotions and are hell bent on making everyone feel emotions would be a threat to his power.
Straw man argument (look that up)
A straw man argument is when a person blows his opponent's claims out of proportion to make them sound ridiculous.I didn't even look that up.
I merely stated a fact here.The movie did invent Gun-Kata.No other movie has mixed guns,probability and martial arts.I'm not blowing anything out of proportion.Gun-Kata is pretty cool and that is the general opinion.You might think it's stupid but that's your opinion.Maybe you should try educating yourself on logical fallacies.
Now that I've empirically proven you wrong (against my better judgement) maybe you can actually argue with me on an intellectual level so this can be a challenge for me
You can't prove opinions "empirically" wrong or right.You are arguing that the direction sucked,the characters were one dimensional and you think you have actually "empirically" proven me wrong.But i understand that like most of your talk,this word was added just to add weight to a hollow statement.
Although I imagine your next post will resemble your other tireless attempts to veil your opinion and description of the movie as actual arguments. Although I imagine that's more a product of ignorance than courage.
And i imagine that your next post will resemble your other tireless attempts to veil your failure to understand the movie as a plot hole.That is true ignorance and it's foolish of me to even think that it's possible for someone so deluded and cement -
Fire God — 12 years ago(September 22, 2013 03:30 AM)
"That, incredibly long, sentence is contradictory."
That incredibly stupid sentence is (embarrassingly) grammatically incorrect. You should feel lucky someone doesn't correct more of your mistakes, because you have a TON of them. Next time you feel the need to chastise people regarding their writing, please keep it to yourself, okay? You've humiliated yourself quite enough. -
xskingsx — 12 years ago(September 17, 2013 06:08 PM)
I wish VicBooth had the decency to share his opinions without being such an antagonistic, belittling and pretentious beep beep That is all.
I added one comma in there for the grammar Nazi police hahaha : D -
VicBooth — 12 years ago(June 27, 2013 06:59 AM)
Yeah, wow. I've put down some pretty dumb people on this board but you're the first to try refute me with your opinion and your list of 'things that are physically possible in the world'.
Go read up on the list of fallacies and then, I don't know, retire from posting on imdb. -
the_la_baker — 12 years ago(June 27, 2013 01:10 PM)
Actually, he did destroy you. Too bad you are apparently of such a low intellectual caliber you are unable to comprehend it. Just like you are unable to comprehend that Equilibrium sucks.
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."
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the_la_baker — 12 years ago(June 28, 2013 12:54 PM)
Please keep going. Your posts are too funny. Oh, that's not my signature, that's a quote. I don't have a signature.
Tell me more about how stupid I am and how Equilibrium is a good movie, just like Super Troopers. Your posts are a lot like poor/mediocre movies that are still entertaining. Or maybe a horrible train wreck. It's awful, but you can't look away and have a latent desire for more.
I eagerly await your reply. -
Hallucinogen-X — 12 years ago(June 28, 2013 01:57 PM)
Your signature here on IMDb is the message at the bottom of every post you make,it's not your actual signature.You don't have a signature?You know who does not have signatures?Illiterate people.Boy this is great,i love idiots please carry on.
I eagerly await your reply.
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trainedwreck — 11 years ago(September 14, 2014 11:49 AM)
Lol you served his ass. As soon as I saw he couldn't write YOU'RE instead of your, which he will likely later blame on memes, his opinion went straight in the trash
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