Hannah's fault…or Adam's?
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racket97 — 9 years ago(November 23, 2016 10:13 PM)
Jessica going home was completely Hannah's fault. When Zeke asked if she was with him and she hesitated and didn't give an answer, the plan completely shifted. Had she just lied and said she was with him, they would have tried to blindside David and Zeke would have gone home.
Then, Adam blurts out that he heard them whispering Ken's name at tribal council. Had he kept his mouth shut because he doesn't know what was really going on, David probably would have used the idol on Hannah.
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aspiringwriter16 — 9 years ago(November 23, 2016 10:15 PM)
They both played a part.
Actually, I think Hannah's fck up probably could've been amended had Adam not opened his mouth about Ken being the one they were targeting, even though he should've had no reason to believe he would as that should've been an obvious lie.
Don't Jdg a Bok by Its Move -
circa_sim — 9 years ago(November 23, 2016 10:20 PM)
Adam has been played. They were telling Ken name to make them believe he was the target. Excellent game play by them.
It was only Jessica fault. She wanted to take a 17% gamble by not changing her vote. I would even say 33% because she risked David's life with her choice and she was better with him than Hannah. -
ChrisOlliYo — 9 years ago(November 24, 2016 01:02 AM)
Hannah was at fault. Guess she's too tired to play a two-faced agent. On top of that, she asked Sunday "what't the plan?". That's just plain dumb. And Adam was influenced by the answer Sunday gave "Ken" since, which's also dumb.
If these two had not sat in the middle, I wonder the outcome would still be the same. -
pope_duke — 9 years ago(November 24, 2016 04:29 AM)
It was David's fault.
Yes, Hannah borked up when she was talking to Zeke, but she mitigated that by realizing she was now the vote.
Adam really borked up by falling for the tribal council talk bait. Of course they are trying to fool the other side. It seemed too many people were playing their cards too early.
But, ultimately, David made the decision to play the idol for Ken. When has Ken's name ever come up? I realize it is easy to armchair, but seriously, Ken? If anything, they might have gunned for Jessica over Hannah. If David would have stuck to the original plan, he would have saved another person and got rid of one of his choosing. That would have really cemented him as a good player and not just lucky or paranoid. -
celeboy01 — 9 years ago(November 24, 2016 05:33 AM)
I don't see why they allow the person to walk from the log, to Jeff to hand over the idol, and then back to the log where everyone else is at
before
deciding who to play it for, but I guess that is that lol.
David should have just gone with his gut in who to play the idol for, which was likely himself or Hannah, but it would have looked a lot better than playing it on Ken.
Hannah did put herself in that position, but at least she read the situation and could tell she was going to get votes. However, she was acting weird at tribal, I think she knew not to say anything with fear of him not playing it on her.
Adam really messed up here in telling David to play it on Ken- simply believing what he was told for the first time at tribal. I'm sure he regrets what he did now, but geez, I don't see how he thought Ken was legitimately getting voted when said whispering was only happening between 3 people and not 5.
Jessica talked a lot about how she didn't want to go to rocks. I completely understand wanting to be loyal to your allies, but if you were that concerned over rocks, well, then you should have just voted Hannah out. Sure, you would have been down a number, but you also would have still been in the game.
One little Indian boy left all alone;
He went out and hanged himself and then there were none -
pope_duke — 9 years ago(November 24, 2016 08:03 AM)
The funny thing about Jessica's loyalty is that it seemed more appropriate than Will. I would have expected a budge from Will more so than Jessica. It would have been funny if they both had flipped on the revote.
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EnnJaySee — 9 years ago(November 24, 2016 03:06 PM)
You have to look at the order these events took place. Hannah was at fault first, she made it clear to Zeke she was not in his corner. Had she kept up the act, he trusted her 100%, she would have known the target, play David's idol and boom, a win.
Adam then got played at tribal, this guy has no luck whatsoever. He fell for a play, all he did was alert his people of what he'd heard and he did that.
David then made the third mistake in deciding to alter the plan at the very last second based on what Adam told him. Hhad he stuck with giving the idol to Hannah, once again they would have won.
Ultimately I blame Hannah the most. She did a horrible job of convincing Zeke she was with him, which shouldn't be hard as she;s been doing it the whole game. I think she's incapable of deceit or lying Not a bad thing in real life, but it makes her a terrible Survivor player. They had the upper hand and lost it because she wasn't able to convince Zeke she was with him.
Zeke and Bret was beep at tribal with their treatment of David.
#VivaLaBull - Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. -
pope_duke — 9 years ago(November 25, 2016 04:21 AM)
Yes, Hannah started the snowball rolling. I still feel she salvaged it by realizing they were gunning for her. I don't think it was Adam's fault. He keeps having bad luck, definitely, and I sort of feel like the best play with Adam is to kind of ignore whatever he is saying. I think he has become an unwitting agent of chaos, or as Zeke has said - a liability. I still think David, though, is complicit, because all he had to do was stick with the plan.
If anything, it's all somewhat in a shambles, and though that must be terrible for the players, it makes fun viewing, in my opinion. -
EnnJaySee — 9 years ago(November 25, 2016 07:36 AM)
So what happens next? Do the minority 4 have a way out of this? They still have an idol on their side, that's an option. They only need to flip 1 person. None seem likely but then you just never know what happens. Perhaps Jay and Will now view Zeke, Bret and Sunday as a tight 3 and wants to break that up. They certainly look to be a tight 3 at this point, tighter than any other 3 left. I would be applauding loudly if they blindside Zeke or Bret next week.
#VivaLaBull - Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. -
nathanp-96006 — 9 years ago(November 24, 2016 05:55 AM)
you are just seeing the edits, in reality the cast is very aware of everyone and the alliances, It wasn't just that one convo that got Zeke to realize Hannah was siding with David, that was just the confirmation convo that the show edits in to set the stage. The real smart move, and not sure who planted the false flag, Zeke or Brett, but by "leaking" that they were targeting Ken in earshot of Adam, was the genius move as Adam tells Hannah and now both tell David to use the idol on Ken which was a complete disinformation game. David underestimated Hannah's gut instinct that the target shifted from him to her, and then David went with the false info and used it on Ken. But in the all this didn't matter, as Jessica just had to put Hannah's name down on the revote and she was safe, but she chose to save Hannah and put herself at risk, so it really is on her alone, as she had total control over what would happen.
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big_kmc — 9 years ago(November 24, 2016 05:34 PM)
Good point about the edit, plus you have to think about the jury, with Zeke being such a target for his assertive gameplay, then Hannah probably picture him being on the jury being salty if she had straight up lied.