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dtechba — 11 years ago(May 23, 2014 06:37 AM)
Lord man the Boer Wars predated the Phillipines by 10 to 20 years. Even Churchill condemned some British conduct during the Boer Wars. I hold the British military in very high esteem but your ignorance of the historic facts as woefully naive. As for the American Indians, reservations are not concentration camps. Not that the conduct there by US forces was something to write home about.
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ContinentalOp — 11 years ago(May 30, 2014 07:58 PM)
''I hold the British military in very high esteem but your ignorance of the historic facts as woefully naive. As for the American Indians, reservations are not concentration camps.''
They are pretty damn similar though. As were the POW camps in the Civil War, which predated the Boer War.
''Lord man the Boer Wars predated the Phillipines by 10 to 20 years.''
For someone saying that someone's ''your ignorance of the historic facts as woefully naive'', the claim can be made for you. The Philippine-American War was from 18991902 and the Second Anglo-Boer War (in which concentration camps were first used by the British Empire) was from 1899-1901. However, the Spanish used them in the Cuban War of Independence (18951898) before the US and the UK. And contrary to popular belief the Tsarist regime in Russia had the katorga camps, though you could argue that penal camps and concentration camps are different.
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dtechba — 11 years ago(June 03, 2014 12:12 PM)
The Phillipine Insurrection did not end until just prior to WW1. It should be noted that the famed .45 cal semi auto pistol came from that conflict. It is known as the M1911 the 1911 the year it was approved for purchase.
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ocoileain1890 — 17 years ago(May 27, 2008 05:19 AM)
"The British were the most humane and least brutal, and in the end, they gave most of their empire back to the native peoples simply because they were asked"
Centuries of State sanctioned brutality, religious and civic persecution, culpability through sheer neglect in in the artificial holocaust that was the 1845-47 famine, rapine, avaricious resettlement of the natives from their ancestral lands, god I could go on at risk of sounding like a broken record but what would be the point? 13 miles down the road from where I live British soliders indulged in the delightful little sport of Pitch capping that is pouring hot pitch, or tar (mainly used at the time for lighting purposes), into a conical shaped paper "cap", which was forced onto a bound persons head and then allowed to cool. Less elaborate versions included smearing a cloth or paper with pitch and pressing onto the head of the intended victim. The "pitchcap" was then torn off taking lumps of skin and flesh with it which usually left the victim disfigured for life. Wonderful! How to win over the natives! Instead such treatment goaded the peasant population into open rebellion as ill-educated (Because of a prickly little series of discriminatory edicts called the "Penal Laws".) farm hands took on canon and cavalry with little more than pikes. Slaughter ensuing.
Selective historical amnesia seems to prevail in the British educational system in relation to the history of Ireland. We'd been "asking" for our country "back" since the medieval period but quickly realised ones point of argument to be augmented no end with the fixing of a bayonet when dealing with the British. One thing you taught us well, might is right! But sure thats all in the past since we're "civilised" now. Well done. We're still dealing with the socio-political and physic poison of the occupation well into the 21st century. This country will never be right. Please do continue to live in your insular cotton wool feel-good bubble with wax in your ears or maybe I could recommend you some
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ikinmoore — 17 years ago(May 27, 2008 12:02 PM)
Do I detect some anti British feeling here. I am British and I have always believed that there are good and bad in all. I don't care for politics or religion and what our Ancestors did is not my fault. I enjoyed the film and never occured to me that people here would get so upset about british history.
Just rememeber this:
The white Americans did to the Native Americans
The White Australians did to the Native Australians
Black Africans tribes did to each other.
Germans did to most of Europe.
Russians did to Germans when they tried to wipe out Europe.
Americans did to Japan.
The World trade Centre
The list is endless and yes the British were brutal and cruel.
Humans are basically very cruel but as I said each one has a good side and a bad side. So don't be so bigoted or narrowminded.
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naseby — 11 years ago(October 08, 2014 11:05 AM)
Ocoilean is quite correct in NOT trying to justify the British Empire as all-forgiving and ok in most respects as has been mentioned. However, HE should remember that true, the atrocities in Ireland are unforgivable, plenty of Irishmen enlisted 'outside' of both the two World Wars for service in Britain's armed forces. If Britain was SO bad, surely they would have not (as many Indians did for instance, under the empire). My point is, that there is blood on all our hands and the present generation has NOTHING to do with what our forebears did. If so, should the allies be taking what they want out of post-war Germany still? The Easter Rising and subsequent executions was the factor that tipped Irish Nationalism 'mostly' to the fore, before that, most Irish people despite the famine, were 'ok' with Britain in Ireland. Fact. However, to re-iterate, the Empire was definitely WRONG.
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Sheriff_Of_Nottingham — 16 years ago(February 11, 2010 07:08 PM)
Just remember this:
The white Americans did to the Native Americans
The Native Americans were brutal and cruel to other tribes long before any white man set foot on the North American continent. White captives of Native Americans were often skinned alive and yes this includes women, children, and infants. The Native Americans were also traders of black slaves. Hardly the nobles savages the liberals would like us to believe.
American did to Japan
Are you serious! Japan started the War with the States. During WWII, they committed mass genocide against the Chinese whom they regarded as an inferior people. They treated US/UK POWS worse than the Germans treated the Jews. If Truman did not drop the A bomb, FAR more people on BOTH would have been killed. Even today, the Japanese have a racist attitude towards outsiders. -
Ssertorivs — 12 years ago(August 10, 2013 03:57 AM)
"The Native Americans were brutal and cruel to other tribes long before any white man set foot on the North American continent. White captives of Native Americans were often skinned alive and yes this includes women, children, and infants. The Native Americans were also traders of black slaves. Hardly the nobles savages the liberals would like us to believe"
Gees, then I guess it's a good thing that y'all came over, massacred them and annihilated their culture. Even at the dawn of your history you were such great humanitarians, concerned with making the world a better place! -
SickBoyo — 17 years ago(May 28, 2008 08:45 AM)
The British were the most humane and least brutal, and in the end, they gave most of their empire back to the native peoples simply because they were asked"
British treatment of Ireland is a perfect example of this
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ocoileain1890 — 17 years ago(May 28, 2008 08:55 AM)
"The British were the most humane and least brutal, and in the end, they gave most of their empire back to the native peoples simply because they were asked"
I just found that statement to be so gauche and unqualified to the point of being perverse, blatantly illustrating the complete lack of socio-historic knowledge the average English/British person possesses in relation to the history of Ireland.
I could easily say "Britain never contributed anything positive to the world" but that would be a lie. I'd expect you as a Briton to react with the same about of indignation not narrow-mindedness or bitterness (Which I personally don't feel for the record re. England.) concerning my comment. Relatives of mine had to die for the freedom we enjoy in the Republic today, trust me it would have been great if we didn't have to wage a brutal war of independence and suffer the ensuing trauma of civil war resulting from partition in order to achieve a modicum of freedom. -
ikinmoore — 17 years ago(May 28, 2008 09:15 AM)
Ocoileain1890 you sound really bitter. Don't you think a lot of people suffered in the hands of Germans during the Second world war. 20 million russians died plus millions of Indians, Australias, ect ect ectyet you bleat about the British. The Irish are not perfect as I have said before there are good and bad in all.
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ocoileain1890 — 17 years ago(May 29, 2008 06:00 AM)
"The British were the most humane and least brutal, and in the end, they gave most of their empire back to the native peoples simply because they were asked"
I'm not bitter my friend and I think you misunderstand me, I just found that statement to be deeply offensive given how utterly ridiculous it is, void of any rational qualification. Benign and benevolent empire I think not, no matter what ostentatious ideological finery you dress it up in Imperialism is at its very essence all about exploitation and domination. Millions died because of it in Ireland. Simple as. And the only just war is a war of Liberation. I'm not trying to imply that Ireland was the only country to suffer in history and that it's populated by angel's. -
ikinmoore — 17 years ago(May 29, 2008 06:56 AM)
I find it deeply offensive that you paint this narrowminded bigotry of the British. It's History.move on. I have no doubt Ireland has suffered over many years through "Imperialism" to name such a word, by the British. But don't keep harping on about the British as if they have been the only ones in History to exploit or dominate aother nationality.
I am only thankful that the problems in Ireland are now stable for the time- being and that the Irish are now living in peace with one aother.
The best films are made in an intelligent format.