mikey was really convincing, and i've been hypnotised! the reason i ask is because maybe the father just took this oppo
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smithcorey — 20 years ago(July 13, 2005 07:54 PM)
mikey was really convincing, and i've been hypnotised! the reason i ask is because maybe the father just took this opportunity to listen to his son's thoughts and decided it was best to do what he said to make him feel better, in light of what was happening with the family. for those who might post back saying something along the lines of ,"you idiot, why would he leave his unconscious son and fire the maid?!", if you think about it, the father knew his son wouldn't wake up anyway, and could have wanted to make his younger son, the only of the three that really had a future, feel better, and as for firing consuela, there are plenty of maids, and maybe she wasn't doing a good job in the aftermath of jesus being murderd and solondz just didn't want to show it because it would look odd juxtaposed with the other scenes following the hypnosis.
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DavidXF — 20 years ago(December 26, 2005 04:41 PM)
While seeing the movie for the first time, I saw it as the father wasn't really hypnotized and he was just playing along when he fired Consuela. Playing along to the extreme, yet playing along for the one remaining son he has hope for. Looking back at it, I still don't know.
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fabulousflow — 20 years ago(January 25, 2006 12:30 PM)
You Fools! Of course he was hypnotized! They made it clear earlier in the movie that all Consuela did was work, so why would he fire her to make the kid feel better? I'll give Solondz credit though, he didn't make it clearand here we are..
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killingthejoy — 20 years ago(March 24, 2006 09:27 AM)
This is such an old thread, but I do wish to point out that she probably wasn't that great of a worker. The scene of her on the floor cleaning the brown residue on the floor showed this. She was out of breath and taking forever to clean it up. Much of the work she did was pointless and effortless, and she made it look like she was building a stone house.
She was just depressed. She was just a typical person who thinks she has the worst life in the world, but in reality, her life was not that bad. She victimized herself, just as her grandson did. This is the same woman that said her grandson wasn't a bad guy for raping and murdering a woman. She wasn't a good worker and she wasn't a good person. Mikey was the voice of reason in that regard.
And Goodman did have a facial reaction to something Mikey said during the hypnosis. There was such a camera fixation on Goodman's face during that scene that I thought it was evident that we were supposed to see the raise of the eyebrows and almost chuckle of sort. We, the audience, were being let it on the secret that he was just playing along. -
Aapox3 — 18 years ago(May 06, 2007 09:52 PM)
very good last point Killingthejoy
Another great point by the OP: "if you think about it, the father knew his son wouldn't wake up anyway, and could have wanted to make his younger son, the only of the three that really had a future, feel better"
Calling that argument "Bollocks" is ignorant, plus Bollocks just sounds stupid. -
jackiefoxybrown — 10 years ago(October 17, 2015 04:27 PM)
Yeah' you're right. The raise of the eyebrows was some evidence that he was in on it, however, I don't comprehend how he would fire Consulea to appease his little prick of a son. Yeah, Consuela was a delusional idiot for justifying rape, but I think if the father was in on itletting the maid go was wrong.
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lollipop15 — 9 years ago(August 07, 2016 11:17 AM)
This is such an old thread, but I do wish to point out that she probably wasn't that great of a worker. The scene of her on the floor cleaning the brown residue on the floor showed this. She was out of breath and taking forever to clean it up. Much of the work she did was pointless and effortless, and she made it look like she was building a stone house.
She was just depressed. She was just a typical person who thinks she has the worst life in the world, but in reality, her life was not that bad. She victimized herself, just as her grandson did. This is the same woman that said her grandson wasn't a bad guy for raping and murdering a woman. She wasn't a good worker and she wasn't a good person. Mikey was the voice of reason in that regard.
I agree. The scenes in which she is scrubbing the stain off the floor, and dusting(?) the curtain rail were sort of uncomfortable to watch. She was slow, sweating and almost looked like she was in pain.
Even though it lead to their deaths I think Mikey had the right idea about telling his dad to fire her.