In this case, A is most definately a negative number! :)
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marbry8 — 14 years ago(January 29, 2012 02:12 PM)
I'm so sick of Obama hating, Fox sucking wingnuts who filter movies through their political beep This film was made in 2002. It has nothing to do with Obama. However it DOES show that our health care system has been a mess for years.
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Babys-man — 13 years ago(February 17, 2013 07:52 PM)
mabry8, you wrote: "This film was made in 2002. It has nothing to do with Obama". True, it was not intended to support President Obamas health care position he was a State Senator at the time but it is very much related to the battle for health care reform. The President has had that as a major part of his platform for a long time. In 2002, he tried for the chair of Illinois Senate's Health and Human Services Committee. At the time this was made, he and the makers of this movie were in lockstep. Clearly, blanket complaints against the President are pointless. I think any intelligent person would reject them as intellectual shortcuts. Disagreeing with a politicians stance on an issue is not simple hating. Please dont dismiss honest, fact-based arguments against the President as simple Obama hating.
I agree that there is much about our health care system that needs reform. I have read about 250 pages of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act details (Obamacare, or, my choice, "the Health Care Act"). The Keynesian theory it borrows from is hopelessly flawed. The tax burden it depends on is recessionary, and counter to American ideals and a rights-based value system. We really need to take a supply-and-demand approach to the economic issues, along with a simplified approach to coverage. Compel the insurance companies to do the right thing, while increasing competition in order to get them to become more efficient. Add tort reform and malpractice reform to make for a leaner, health-focused system for dealing with treatment.
P.S. I do go to Fox News first, but when I want a fleshed-out, 360-degree argument on an issue, I go to CNN, BBC America, as well as the WSJ, the (ugh!) New York Times (although they have really lowered their standards!), and The Times (of London). US News and World Reports, Time, and Newsweek often have good insight, too. -
marbry8 — 13 years ago(March 09, 2013 05:06 PM)
Please dont dismiss honest, fact-based arguments against the President as simple Obama hating. {/quote]
I didn't. I dismissed the original post as hating which it was. I agree that we need real discussion of this country's health care system but this is hardly the place for that. The OP's remark was poorly reasoned and based on his/her political partisanship and deserves to be dismissed. We can't have real discussions about important issues if we refuse to call out bad information as such.
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spkeck — 11 years ago(December 23, 2014 08:17 PM)
fact-based arguments? It's not, it's just opinion or uses statistics to support your view when you can find statistics to support the other side of the argument.
The people of the country had the opportunity to vote on Obamacare in 2012, they chose to re-elect the president. You say you go to Fox News first, they are hopelessly biased and are no where near fact-based, in the same token neither is CNN or MSNBC. The magazines you listed also are not good places to go for good news. They are are full of fear, politicizing events and basically the TMZ of politics. -
black_k — 13 years ago(May 29, 2012 09:06 PM)
Man i think you really should get psych evaluation ,everyone who saw the movie was extremely touched by it , i just finished watching it and i couldn't help but to shed a few tears and your talking about insurance, man there is something seriously wrong with you
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doginthefog — 13 years ago(June 05, 2012 05:24 PM)
I think the movie did a good job in not painting things as purely black and white. It's not like all the doctors were cold, calculated, greedy characters. All of them showed that they were good people as well. The main doctor argues the point during HMO discussion that things aren't simple either.
I interpreted it as a movie being what it was, if someone was broke then they wouldn't have the ability to afford health care and people usually do some drastic things when they are put into a desperate spot. It was a critique on the health care system but I'm sure a lot of people feel that way as well. There are pros and cons to different health care systems -
Babys-man — 13 years ago(February 17, 2013 07:54 PM)
There is a good message about a fathers love, but it is cheapened by the ham-fisted approach to health care reform. Like it or not, the movie is about health care reform, and in particular, health care insurance and it's failures.
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Destinata — 13 years ago(December 25, 2012 09:12 PM)
And so, OP, it's predictable that people call you everything but a child of God.
I've been on OHP, which is like Obamacare. It gives you a two-tier healthcare system, with the people who can afford insurance winding up getting much better care, and the people on OHP getting a distant second best. Some doctors won't even treat OHP patients, and as for finding a competent dentist, that was impossible. When the cost crunch kept hitting predictably, the system kept going broke they kept adding conditions to the list they wouldn't cover. When my 83 year-old mother was dying, she got kicked to the curb because she didn't have money for private insurance. Meanwhile, my aunt who had great healthcare from all the money her wealthy husband left her got treated as if she was 20 years old and had her whole life ahead of her when she was 96.
Would OHP have covered this kid's surgery and care? I don't know. I do know that when Obama was asked if his family would be on Obamacare, he wouldn't answer the question. The people in Congress won't be on it. Denzel Washington isn't going to be on it. The royals in England, where they have public health care, aren't on it. People who can afford to stay off it choose to. They choose to go to private hospitals in England, as well. Why? Well, duh.
But some people have to live through it before they can understand.
We'll get great healthcare in America if Congress and the President are forced to go on the same healthcare they're sentencing their fellow Americans to.
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MajinRobot — 13 years ago(January 27, 2013 11:24 AM)
Some of you actually want LIFE SAVING procedures to be accesible only to rich people? Really?
When it comes to life and health I wouldnt mind if goverments spend twice as much as they do
instead of spending some of all their money on almost useless crap.
Health and the right to life are the most important thing in life.
And if the rich have to pay for a good national health and the poor/middle class dont then so be it.
You need to have a down side if you are filthy ritch.
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Babys-man — 13 years ago(February 17, 2013 08:16 PM)
I doubt the OP, or anyone on his side, wanst life-saving procedures only for the rich. Speaking for myself, I want insurance companies to cover what they are supposed to. Right now, getting an insurance company to cover an expensive procedure can be very difficult. Many companies have a rule, written or unwritten, to deny any claim they possibly can. Publicly-traded companies are required to act in a way that is true to their fiduciary responsibility. Often, they interpret that to mean limiting costs (payments) while maximizing revenue (premiums). That is one part of reform of the health care system that The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) fails miserably to address in an economically realistic way.
We do have to accept that we have scarce resources to allocate to health care. (By scarce. I do not mean barely there, I mean not unlimited). Right now, we do a very bad job of allocated and spending those resources (not just money, but training, personnel, Research and Development, etc.). Please take some time to study the Affordable Care Act. Your opinion IS important. We need compassionate people like you to be fully informed. Im guessing you are a good bit younger than I; Im um lets just say over 40 :). Keep pushing for a system that reflects our national values and ideals. Keep in mind that there are economic realities, but dont let anyone use that term (economic realities) to try to blow you off. Hold their feet to the fire! -
turock — 13 years ago(April 02, 2013 12:17 AM)
Wow a movie that came out in 2002 back before there were even any Chicagoians who knew Barack Obama, the producers of this movie KNEW he was going to be picked. AND KNEW people would eat this up. Yeah sounds legit.
David Caruso "Worst actor ever!" -
chrisbacher-480-338061 — 12 years ago(March 22, 2014 07:53 PM)
You and your ilk are what he problem is with this country. warriorofgod? What a joke. Have you ever dealt with an HMO? Were you aware that, "Breathing is a luxury"? Please don't even pretend to have a clue. Your comment indicates your realm of being 'in touch' let alone 'real problems' within health care. I would guess you have no problems with the actions of congress for the last few yearsm either Good luck and glad you have great insurance. Oh, by the way, the HMO was through the INSURANCE company my wife worked for. HMO's are wonderful, I'm sure you have one
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