what the hell about the bathroom scene?? (spoilers!!!)
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ichbinsisyphos — 16 years ago(August 31, 2009 03:24 AM)
She was definitely cutting herself.
We never really find out why she does it, we don't know her well enough to find a definite answer. Maybe the interviews on the DVD shed some light on the issues? I never saw one.
Maybe she was punishing herself, maybe it's just that Walter got her excited down there, maybe she took her virginity. These are the options I can think of. -
ashes_to_autumn — 16 years ago(November 22, 2009 07:16 PM)
By 'she took her virginity' do you mean masturbation? 'Cause that's a pretty wierd way of putting itand if so, WITH A RAZORBLADE? WHAT?
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ichbinsisyphos — 16 years ago(November 23, 2009 08:52 AM)
No, I mean that she cut her hymen.
But I don't know if that even makes sense. Any 40+ year old female virgins here? Does the hymen survive that long?
It looks too determined to be just self-cutting. I think she at least cuts a very particular spot. And shaving no.
Maybe it was "vaginal resculpting" as some other poster on this board put it, meaning she performed "cosmetic surgery" on herself and cut her labia. This is a little bit too disturbing for me, though. I choose to believe the less horrific nightmare. -
anspruchsvoiier — 16 years ago(December 03, 2009 04:57 AM)
i don't believe she was re-sculpting her vagina, because her personality gave no clues that she was unsatisfied with her genitals. i find your explanation of her cutting her hymen more convincing. she clearly had problems getting into relationships. that's why she still not just lived with her mother, but was still under her rule. also, her total dedication to music which she must have had at a young age until puberty (plus her extreme opinion about music and her attitude towards different-minded people) might have made it hard for her make contacts, so she might have indeed been a virgin.
as for your question whether a hymen survives that long: that depends on the strength of the hymen and the woman's physical activities. since she wasn't into sports, but rather chose a much less demanding hobby her hymen might have still been intact. also, from my understanding, hymens don't just break like that because they "wear out". so there's no reason why it wouldn't have been intact.
anyway, if she cut her hymen then the question remains why she didn't do it earlier. it was obvious that she had a strong sexual urge, so it's doubtful that she would have waited that long, especially with that detailed fantasy she showed. so, another valid theory might be that she only wanted to cut herself. cutting is pretty common among depressed people, but also finds its way into sexuality. since she's portrayed as an extreme masochist, cutting herself in an extreme way would fit her persona -
fmm5 — 16 years ago(March 11, 2010 12:35 PM)
She's definitely not "cutting" her hymen - no need for a razor blade for that, it can be done with fingers (and I'd say it's probably physically impossible to do with a razor without causing major damage). She's self-mutilating, and doing it in a place that her mother won't see.
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mulhollandpsycho — 14 years ago(August 07, 2011 10:32 PM)
There is nothing "bit too disturbing" in a Haneke film. If he wanted her to be sitting there, cutting her clit with a razor blade, she was sitting there cutting her clit with a razorblade. If you've seen a few Haneke movies, you'll know, that's what he'd do.
I figure she wanted to be bleeding there, so she did it. -
gneidisch — 16 years ago(December 11, 2009 01:04 AM)
She looked very determined while she did it. Also when she took the knife at the end of the film.
Borderline Syndrome: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderline_syndrome
That's pretty weird, huh? -
toomanytones — 16 years ago(March 04, 2010 05:42 PM)
yeah good point. Its always really easy to get carried away and over analyse Haneke films, when I think they're usually much more simple. Definately that scene has nothing to do with her hymen or her labia it is simply a scene depicting self harm. As to why she would do that there's no linear explanation in this film because it doesn't work like that. The film is the narrative of the most recent events leading up to the suicide of a mentally unstable and derranged musician. The fact that she self harms needs no explanation; it just fits into her personality.
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eLeM_k — 16 years ago(March 16, 2010 06:00 PM)
This has to be compared with Bergman's "Cries and Whispers" (
http://www.imdb.com/board/10069467/
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just_an_oli — 15 years ago(May 30, 2010 10:48 PM)
How is this a mystery to so many people? She is a masochist and deeply sexually frustrated. She gets off on pain. She cut herself for the sexual release, similar to that she desired in a safe, S&M relationstip. Sadly, she was unable to find that safety and experience.
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GabrielleP — 14 years ago(July 04, 2011 02:00 PM)
The way she acts so masochistically and, in a way, sadistically, I think she cuts her labium not only to get pleasure out of the cutting itself. When she watched the couple in the car (or the student getting hurt) she rapidly started peeing and with ulcered labium she must have felt a GREAT pain. Thus, knowing she was a masochist, I think urinating was a way to satisfy sexually.
P.S. It's impossible to lose virginity with a razor blade. If she attempted such an action, she would have bleeded to death, not just lost a drop of blood. Imagine a razor blade "travelling" into this internal organ quite deeply and cutting all the sides -
bite_me_loser_86 — 14 years ago(August 28, 2011 07:12 PM)
P.S. It's impossible to lose virginity with a razor blade. If she attempted such an action, she would have bleeded to death, not just lost a drop of blood. Imagine a razor blade "travelling" into this internal organ quite deeply and cutting all the sides
Sometimes I wonder if the some of the people behing the posts in this thread are idiots. How anyone could think it would be possible to penetrate yourself with a razor blade a and cut the inside ( and then later just go about one's day like you didn't just inflict trauma that should have caused you major blood loss I don't know why so many people seem to be so clueless when it comes to female body parts. Imagine if it had been a dude, cutting his balls off. Would anyone believe that to be possible for ANYONE to self-harm in such a horrific way and NOT end up at the ER?