Rape? *spoiler*
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bwfcmichelle — 18 years ago(January 26, 2008 05:00 PM)
There's also the idea that Erika watches porn to understand what gives people pleasure, she never has pleasre or emotions herself so she simply watches to see what makes others tick, if you like, which is similar to what you said.
I still don't like Klemmer though, he's a manipulator and womaniser. However, I am sure he didn't go to Erika knowing of her vulnerabilities, ie he would have used her regardless of her mental state.
Haven't you noticed the cruelty in his thoughts about Erika in the book? The book does a lot to explain some parts of the film.
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ichbinsisyphos — 18 years ago(February 02, 2008 02:21 PM)
i didnt read the book, maybe hes portrayed more negatively there.
i dont think klemmer a bad person. hes a little egotistical, but not exploitive. he cares for others. yes maybe hes a womanizer, but im not sure if that is bad in itself.
i think klemmer was as nice to erika as he could be, but hes not the doctor. not knowing what he is letting himself in he didnt protect himself. he changed his behaviour only after he suffered because of her.
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ichbinsisyphos — 16 years ago(April 25, 2009 03:04 AM)
It's none of my business what people are or do.
What I don't like is my feelings to be toyed with. If you can make a point that he was exploiting, manipulating her and that she wanted more than an affair, or that he made it look to her that he wanted more than an affair, then we can talk.
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NoelLiebtSie — 16 years ago(April 29, 2009 12:34 PM)
I think that's a slut, but actually oversexed lifestyle in general is the cause of many problems in society.
(I must have missed some of this film or it's been too long because I don't remember any of this)
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ichbinsisyphos — 16 years ago(April 30, 2009 08:16 AM)
I know a lot of people who have many problems because of an undersexed lifestyle.
(I must have missed some of this film or it's been too long because I don't remember any of this)
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NoelLiebtSie — 16 years ago(April 30, 2009 09:27 PM)
I may resemble that comment lol but they can't compete I'm afraid. ever heard of a healthy medium?
I didn't remember this promiscuity business in the film.
Is english your first language? because that term most definitely has a predatory connotation.
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ichbinsisyphos — 16 years ago(May 03, 2009 06:05 AM)
I didn't remember this promiscuity business in the film.
bwfcmichelle just said she thinks "Klemmer is a womanizer", to which I responded "I'm not sure if that's a bad thing", because he wasn't dishonest with her.
That's were you jumped in and everything got blown out of proportion
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No, English isn't my first language. The word might have a predatory connotation, but I didn't see it in Klemmer's behavior. -
NoelLiebtSie — 16 years ago(May 03, 2009 03:06 PM)
what exactly did he do? what is it you are defending? (I guess I need to watch this again lol)
well the term is not really positive is what I'm trying to tell you. du bist also eine 'schlampe'?
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Juliatbwa — 15 years ago(May 10, 2010 09:24 PM)
i don't think he doesn't not love her in that scene, on the contrary, I think he rejects her because he does. He doesn't actually reject her until she uses the word "games" and then he thinks about it, and rejects her, because that is what she asked for. I think he is trying to compromise, in a sick way, to her idea of love because she came and did the same for him.