DESERVES BIGGEST PLOT HOLE AWARD!!!!!!!
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that_writer07 — 14 years ago(October 08, 2011 02:15 PM)
What also annoyed me was the fact that the wife was strapped into that contraption and was bedridden - so couldn't go to the toilet.
So she must have a super bladder which means she doesn't need to go for hours/days on end (remember the beginning when he was due home but was delayed for hours at the hospital with Elizabeth).
But in reality they'd have a full-time nurse with her.
It really annoyed me - just have her with a broke leg not that damn contraption! The scene with the baddie would work just as well with her fumbling to get out of bed and get her crutches. -
taina_39 — 19 years ago(April 01, 2007 05:32 AM)
Also,
I don't get how she could brutally murder that other guy in the mental prison when they say she hasn't eaten for 3 days (correctly me if I'm wrong) and also she's as skinny as a pole and has evident self-mutilation which would if not hinder her in attacking and killing a 6foot probably 170 pound man and completely pwn 5 POLICE OFFICERS.I surrender, Claire's 15. Happy?
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DeltaNu — 18 years ago(June 07, 2007 04:07 AM)
Well, yes, there were some plot holes in there BUT it was a very good, interesting movie after all. It entertained me and had my full attention during the whole time. What else can someone want???
They showed us several times that the girl saw her Dad put the diamond into that doll, so no mistake there. She also saw that two men put the doll into her Dad's grave and she sat close to the coffin for some time, touching the numbers. That's the last thing she did before he was really gone, so of course she remembered.
And sometimes things seem very clear to one person and just the opposite to many others
As I said, the mistakes didn't bother me at all. And that's not a stupid comment, by the way. One can over-analyze and stop being entertained -
fantasyescapist — 18 years ago(June 20, 2007 05:32 PM)
Saw it on BBC1 - entertaining film. Got confused along the way, like Along Came A Spider, but it was good. I'd give it a 6.5/10.
I think War Of The Worlds(2005) has more plot holes than this, but then again, I missed nearly half of this film,
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sasty14 — 18 years ago(July 20, 2007 10:15 PM)
You are freaking retarted! if you wouldve paid attention you wouldve realized that she saw her dad put the diamonds in the doll. The reason the number and diamonds come together is because she buried the doll with the diamonds in her dads coffin, hense the number you tard.
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ashleydykeman — 18 years ago(September 30, 2007 08:22 AM)
I personally loved this movie, and have watched it more than once. I absolutely adored the girl who played Jesse, and that one kidnapper that was so nice to her. Sean Bean, as always, was amazing, and Brittany Murphy was entertaining and believeable. If I ahd the oppurtunity to watch it right now, I so totally would. I love that movie, and plot holes or not (which by the way, most of them were actually explained in the movie, but you might've missed them) this movie was one of my favourites of 2001.
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skulk — 18 years ago(October 14, 2007 06:18 PM)
Gary Fleder, in the director commentary, basically admits that sometimes a plot hole is fine as long as the movie keeps moving and keeps the audience interested. He is clearly amused that the last scene, which shows Aggie smiling at Elizabeth even though she doesn't know who she is or that the character even exists, was a reshoot dictated by test audiences that wanted a happier ending. When even the director is making fun of the plot holes, then you know your watching mindless tripe (although enjoyable mindless tripe).
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Jeffthinx — 18 years ago(October 18, 2007 02:27 PM)
I gotta agree with you Missy. But I read your post after I watched the movie. I tend to like Michael Douglas and I thought the filmmakers did a good job of generating suspence. So I liked the movie anyway5 on a scale of 10.
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vocklabruck — 18 years ago(November 23, 2007 12:05 PM)
The first time I watched this movie it was entertaining and it caught me really bad. I didn't see the plot holes, and it put me in tears when the girl had those flashbacks to her father's death. But when I re-watched it a couple times as a translation exercise I saw all that stuff that doesn't make sense and it bothered me.
I found ONE MORE plot hole you didn't list. The bastards were stupid enough to throw their only key under the subway??? I couldn't believe that one. The only guy who knew where the ruby was was Russel and they killed him? Ok, he also had his buddy but why to lose chances killing the father's girl? -
tammytkspr — 18 years ago(December 28, 2007 01:07 PM)
Missy6612
How do the kidnappers know the girl has hidden the diamond? How does the girl know what the kidnappers want (hence the famous line, "I'll never tell" and "You want what they want")? This number is a distant memory in the mind of a mentally ill girl, and there is no reason for her to associate this number with a hidden diamond she shouldn't even know exists.
Uh, dear, she knew the jewel exist. She saw her father put the jewel in her doll, Mishka, about 1:16 into the movie. And when she saw the men beat her father and kill him in the subway, she knew they would be after her eventually. She also threw the doll in with her father's coffin, and traced the coffin number with her finger. I also assume they have tried to get at her in the past, which is why she tried desperately to stay in the mental hospitals. It was the only way she knew to stay alive. Also, the criminals would have figured out as much by reading the same articles that we seen in Elizabeth's file.
How is Dr. Conrad able to completely diagnose her in about 30 minutes when 20 other psychiatrists never even came close? Why do the kidnappers give Dr. Conrad only until 5pm to pry the information out of this girl when she hasn't opened up to anyone, ever? They've waited ten years, why not just give him more time? Oh yeah, because they're just EVIL and dumb. It's probably the same reason why they took their masks off during a bank robbery and never put them back on so everyone could see them.
First, that is why Dr Conrad is a top paid psychiatrist, he's smarter and more talented than the rest of his peers. Even his buddy claimed he went to him because he was better. The 20 other psychiatrists were probably state paid, and quite frankly, in this day and age, it's not the tops in their field that stay with a state pay. The 5 pm deadline was explained, or did you not hear it. Sean Bean's character is quoted that he finds that people are at their best when facing unrealistic dead lines. As for them taking their masks off, that's not a plot hole, because dumb ass bank robbers do that all of the time in real life, and real life isn't a plot hole.
The timeline is really messed up. Dr. Sachs was already put in the same situation as Dr. Conrad and he was unable to deliver the goods, so they kill his girlfriend Sara. Sara was killed before Dr. Sachs got a chance to even work with the girl. That makes no sense of course. Well this absurdity makes it even more absurd that the criminals would hatch a new plot to do the same thing with Dr. Conrad, especially when it had failed with Dr. Sachs. But they do.
Dont know what's confusing. I just think you're not a smart person. Dr Sachs was running out of ideas, so he goes to his smarter and more talented friend, and Conrad is the first person to get her to speak. The criminals were probably getting tired of waiting around for Dr Sachs to get any results, so disposed of his GF prematurely. WHen they see that Dr Conrad has made progress in his very first meeting, they switch tactics to their advantage and use Dr Conrad's expertise and any means neccessary to yeild it, like kidnapping his daughter and using her for collateral.
The original plan to get the number somehow involved an orderly who the girl had cut up. I assume (the movie doesn't really tell us) that this orderly was sent to kidnap the girl so the bad guys could torture the number out of her. Well this failed because the girl beat up the orderly, at which time she is promptly transferred to a new hospital under Dr. Sachs' care. How could they have come up with their new plot (to use Dr. Sachs to get the info from the girl) so quickly after their first plan with the orderly failed? It's impossible!
Where in the movie did it say the orderly was involved with the criminals? Your own assumptions is what is messing you up. There is nothing that shows the orderly to be involved with the criminals and that it was failed attempt at all. The girl snapped and the orderly was the result of it. He could have attempted to rape her for all we know. That scene was to show how dangersous she could be, and was the bait Sachs used to reason with Conrad to see her before they had her chained to a bed for the rest of her life. The criminals were using Dr Sachs because when they finally got her whereabouts, he was her treating psychiatrist at the time. Not plot holes here, you're just not paying attention.
How in the world were they able to plant all of that surveillance in Dr. Conrad's apartment when he and his wife were there? And then why did these idiots choose to keep the kidnapped little girl in an apartment adjacent to her own, where her mother could easily hear her? How did they plant surveillance in the mental patient's room in a heavily secured psychiatric ward? And if they could get in, why didn't they just kidnap her right then and there and torture her to get the number?
IDK, how did the gangsters sneak up that horse's head into the producer's bed without him -
squirmy_monkey — 17 years ago(March 16, 2009 12:46 PM)
"A plot hole I saw was when Elizabeth was telling Sean and Conrad with what she did with Mishka, and Sean's character was like shocked at what he was hearing, in disbelief. I'd figure he's know where the doll was, but didn't know which coffin, so I'm unsure why he was surprised. Where else would he have thought the doll or the numbers represented."
Patrick/Sean thought that the girl's father had the diamond on him, and that after he died he was buried with it. That's why he went to Potter's Field when Conrad said "you know where to go" and also told Conrad he was right that the number signified a grave. They didn't know the whole twist about the man putting the diamond in the doll, and the daughter throwing her doll in the coffin. But Patrick had seen the news article that Elisabeth had been found on Halt island. Because when Conrad was on the phone with him he said "you already have the evidence, it's right under your nose" and right after that Conrad found the news article in his colleague's office. Patrick probably assumed (correctly) from the news article that the girl had accompanied her father's body to be buried and had seen where it was buried.
