Muir's Life After The C.I.A
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sschind — 15 years ago(June 04, 2010 01:44 PM)
"Dont you think it was odd? after Muir just told Tom Bishop never go out of your way for others.Muir also said if he goes off the reservation, he will not come after him.After the events in Beirut , if my pupil would tell me that "hes through with me and doesnt want to end up like me", I doubt I would be going out of my way to save him and his fanatic girlfriend."
Remind me never to rely on you in a pinch.
"heres another thing, .I would think that once the agency puts it all together( which i have no doubt they will, wouldnt they come and arrest Muir for not only forging the directors name on an unauthorized op? (the evidence is Idue to Commander Wiley talking to Muir about Operation" Dinner Out on the phone, im sure the agency knows that Muir set the op up ordering a rescue team of navy seals killing chinese soldiers in the process surely causing a diplomatic problem while rescuring bishop and hadley) muir may end up in jail"
He may but I'm guessing the CIA would rather just forget the whole thing rather than let it get out that they were willing to let one of their own be executed jut to cover their behinds. -
schumithecat — 16 years ago(January 10, 2010 09:02 PM)
he creates such a mess everything may be swept under the rug internally and he may be allowed to keep his government pension (and he gets social security) if he keeps quite about the embarrassing incident; no one would want him going on talk shows, writing a book, congressional hearings, etc. And he is so smooth he could find a wealthy widow to marry. Soothing things with the Chinese would be much harder diplomatically but that is really the country's problem, not his (although he may have to be punished to make amends). As another poster said, his goal was to help others even at the sacrifice of himself so they leave it ambiguous what will happen to him.
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angelofvic — 16 years ago(January 27, 2010 10:12 PM)
The movie doesn't tell us what happens, it just leaves us with the fact that Muir spent his last dime saving Bishop and his girlfriend, and now he is in deep doodoo because he has no money and no job. But then again, it's kind of a karmic balance because he is the one that put the girl in prison in the first place.
Very moving ending.
Of course, we hope that Muir will somehow use his wits to build a new life, presumably with a new identity. But he's gettin' kinda old to do that.
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toky-world — 16 years ago(February 14, 2010 07:12 PM)
CIA and the US government for that matter would be looking for him. To arrest him and hand him over to the Chinese or just send him to jail for the rest of his life (maybe even execution).
But as have been said, he is a spy and probably would have a counterespionage training making him impossible to arrest. Please notice how he left in such a hurry from Langley (I presume), after that chances are he'd just fade away.
For some reason I have the feeling that the US could send Bishop back to the Chinese, and promise to capture Muir. To make amends with China. So in the end maybe the whole rescue operation was for nothing.
But Im sure US wouldn't sell out one of his own not when he is in american soil.
BTW it's supposed to be 199X right? -
actionmanrandell — 12 years ago(April 23, 2013 12:49 AM)
he would not be in trouble you have no idea how the intelligence world works. in this type of situation the agency would sweep it all under the rug because it would make them look bad that one man was capable of doing all that in front of there noses. also
also the chinese would have no proof the u.s had anything to do with the rescue and therefore would have no valid reason to do anything -
sschind — 15 years ago(June 04, 2010 01:52 PM)
It's likely that the whole thing will be swept under the rug so he will probably still have his pension. I do think that the $282,000 is supposed to represent his life savings at the time otherwise the gesture would be lost. I mean whats the big deal if he give up 282K if he has another half a mil stashed somewhere. I don't think we are supposed to think he will be left destitute however. Most likely he owns his house wherever he lived before retirement so that would likely be sold to give him a nice sum of money. I think this is what he intended to "live off of" after he bought his retirement property with his life savings. Now he will just have to rethink all of that.
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zerowing-1 — 13 years ago(December 06, 2012 03:05 PM)
Agreed on all counts. Those careerist survivors who were undermining Muir would do everything in their power to cover up the fact that they'd been totally punk'd by some fossil they'd been deriding for the last 24 hours.
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BrianTheDog — 13 years ago(February 08, 2013 06:46 PM)
- I enjoyed the movie, but the idea that a high ranking CIA agent only has $282,000 in savings (even in 1991) is pretty silly and that was the exact amount to buy property.
- In any case, remember he's a high level federal employee. They enormously generous pensions, particularly back in those days. That's one of the reasons why the U.S. is $17T in debt right now.
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Jerry-137 — 12 years ago(May 14, 2013 11:25 PM)
I agree that most likely he had more cash. He used the investment rep to handle those accounts. But after working for so many years he would and should have a lot more of that in assets including stashed assets over the years.
As far as the CIA coming after him, I doubt it. The only way they could hurt him is by assassination or by disappearing him some how. But he knew too much info on the CIA to ripple the waves knowing his media contacts. If it got out that the CIA was willing to give up one of their spies it would be very bad and not many new recruits plus a total public relations disaster. Plus it could come out about the U.S. doing the raid. Even if they tried him it would come out at the trial.
Yeah, I think he'd be fine both financially and legally. SS retirement alone at that pay grade is at or near the top which is around $25 to $30K per year plus his CIA retirement must be at least another $30K, other IRA's, real estate assets, saving accounts, etc. -
rmiikku — 12 years ago(June 25, 2013 12:12 AM)
You guys are forgetting that by burning bridges to CIA this guy is saying no to his pension, Medicare plans, just for existing in United States, having any kind of life anywhere in the world because if he does something other than live in a hole they are eventually going to find him, super spy or not, looking at reflective surfaces isnt going to get him out of that one. The ending is weak. He would be counting on CIA forgiving him, which they might do, but might not, Chinese would still take the incident very seriously. Rescuing this woman who took part in bombing of a building that lead to death of premieres son, sending US troops to Chinese soil, in reality that would be a huge. In many ways it fits to the style of the movie, its unbalanced.
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Kent_Kainer — 12 years ago(November 23, 2013 08:25 AM)
It's one of those endings where the watcher is meant not to think too deeply about the consequences.
Another thing no-one mentioned here before as the movie has shown the CIA does have the ability and will to kill people and make it look like a natural death.
And old men die.
I also doubt that they would put him on trial because there would be a risk that Muir starts to speak to the press about how the CIA left an agent and US citizen to die, whether he was captured on a private mission or not.
So they would need to silence Muir (and Bishop too).
Probably too much hassle (killing them) and the most effective way to silence both would be to let them be.
I doubt Bishop will be able to keep his job and I also doubt that he wants to remain an agent. He probably joins forces with his girlfriend.
So Muir may get away with it unharmed (not sure about his retirement payments have my doubts they'd pay him after what he's done)
He appeared to be a respected and competent man too and had done good work for the CIA in his life and it was his last day and Bishop was his pupil.
That must count for him too.
And Muir was at fault for the arrest of Bishop's girl in the first place. He brought that stone into rolling.
If the Chinese government makes no big deal out of it then I believe both get away with their actions. But of course will the Chinese government make a big deal out of it. -
kenobi-1 — 11 years ago(June 08, 2014 09:45 PM)
No they left the question "what happend to Muir afterwards" unanswered, but there are little Hints.
Question/Quote: "so he gave up his life savings,"
Answere: Yes he liquidated all of his assets and therefore took great losses, as someone already pointed out. And the hesitation with which Muir considers parting with that life savings at first tells me there ain't a whole lot left after that. Because as you can see in the Movie when Muir is negotiating with the Chinese guy who has the authority to turn off power to the island, he goes backwards and forwards and he ends up giving him as much as he had in his account (282,000). Also earlier in the Movie when his contact in Hong Kong said "Come on, it's not like it's your own money" he pauses and looks depressed for a second or two, because he is about to spend more or less most of his life savings Money to save Bishop and the Woman.
Question/Quote: "he no longer has a job,"
Answere: It was his final day, anyway. Even without this "Situration" it would be his final workday as he is about to retire. He spend most of his Money to save the life of Bishop, but not his Job, because its his final work-day, as he is retiring. So he is NOT risking in getting losing his Job.
Question/Quote: "and hes got no wives to support him"
Answere: He only had one wife. I am NOT sure if he is still married or if he is alredy divorced. But he was not married 4 times as he said. It was basically a Lied when he said this:
Robert Aiken: Patricia?
Nathan Muir: Yeah, my third wife.
Dr. William Byars: My God, how many wives have you had?
Nathan Muir: Four. You want to hear about them or Bishop?
So the Wifes he mentions when he was ask, were all Cover-Ups. It was cleared in the End of the Movie.- He said he had four wives.
- There was one in Germany.
- [Harkker] His first wife was Korean.
- [ Byars ] And Peggy, that's three.
- He was only married once.
- Who are the others?
- Here it is. Patricia Lemour, Sandra Harris and Peggy Dye. All agents or civilian assets. They were all cover wives.
So he only was married once. And married instad of marry inmply that he was married but he is already divorecd as we see him alone at the Beginning from the Movie. He gets wake up with a Phone Call, but he is still in Bed, alone.
Question/Quote: "isn't he screwed? how is he going to go to the Bahamas or retire with no money"
Answere: As somone here in this Thread already pointed out, Muir within those 24 hours showed that he had more intelligence or at least more guile than all the others in the room put together. I personally don't think that he would have a backup plan at that time, because he himself was suprised about the "situration". He admitt it, he was wrong about Bishops feeling about the Woman. Muir thinks that Tom would get over it, but as it turns out, he looks for her, found out that she is in a prison in China, and then starting a rescure Mission, that failed.
Nathan Muir: Hadley was a concern. Not only to Middle East ops but to Bishop's life. So I brokkered a trade with the Chinese government, using Hadley in exchange for a U.S. diplomat convicted of espionage. And she was flown to a high-security prison near Su Chou, eastern China. The place was cleared out and a "Dear John" saying they were through was forged and left for Bishop to find.
Troy Folger: It appears you underestimated Bishop's feelings for her.
Nathan Muir: Yeah, I underestimated it.
So he had no so Idea what to do after that but I bet he has so called Back-up Plans for Siturations like this. Like: "What would I do if I lose all my Money, for whatever reason and what would I do if I have to run away from the CIA, because I 'kinda betray' them." So I belive he would have back-up plans. There is allways a Plan B. He told Bishop to save his money, so he would have it if he needed it one day, and he said in the Meeting that there were 2 Plans to kill the Target in the Middle East. One was to use the Doctor and the Second aka as Plan B was to use the Bomb. So you allways have a Back-up Plan. And if not, I belive that since Muir is such a intelligent guy, that he can always find a way to earn money. Also as other pointed out I'm pretty sure that his Idea was the CIA don't find him after he's left Langley. Please notice how he left in such a hurry from Langley. Also he is not going to the Bahamas, since he spend his money for Bishops rescue. And with the rescue he is now getting problems. Because he broke many CIA rules, for example he faked the Signature of the Director and fake the whole Mission authorization. But again: I belive he knows how the agency works and in no way shape or form will they bring charges up against him because it would be PR suicide as someone already said. I also doubt that they would put him on trial because there would be a risk that Muir starts to speak to the press about how the CIA left an agent and US citizen to die, whether he was captured on a private mission or not.
So they would need to silence
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XXXXshogunXXXX-1 — 9 years ago(May 26, 2016 12:25 AM)
No life after the CIA. He is basically on the run. He impersonated the CIA director executing a dangerous/illegal mission that involved the deaths of a country we are at peace with. Such ties are sensitive. He may look like a hero in some audiences eyes, but to the rest of the world he's basically a cerebral terrorist gone rogue. He sped out of there quick.