they INVADE china?!?!?!?
-
roccyraccoon — 21 years ago(January 09, 2005 02:33 PM)
Let me clear it up for you. There was no invasion of China. That was a covert CIA operation to jailbreak an agent from a nearby Marines base. They had cut the power so their choppers wouldnt be detected and bribed the people involved.
-
Ace_In_The_Hole — 20 years ago(July 27, 2005 05:17 PM)
Those weren't Marines. Those were Navy SEALs.
The mission was a snatch & grab where they flew into China under the cover of darkness and disabled radar to steal Tom Bishop from the Chinese.
It wasn't an act of war, it was a covert operation.
Covert operations go on all the time, its just that we don't hear about them cause we aren't supposed to here about them.
Remember those 6 CIA agents who nabbed a Muslim Cleric in Milan, Italy? That was a covert operation except that the Italians found out about it almost a year after. -
trpdean — 20 years ago(October 26, 2005 08:42 AM)
I don't know if this was realistic. Isn't there more to the Chinese defense against attack from the air - than just the local utility turning off the power? I would assume there's some equivalent of the Strategic Air Command in China - are they in China or the U.S. wholly dependent on local electricity?
When there is a blackout in New York, does this mean during that period we can't detect Russian bombers flying into the U.S. to bomb New York? It sounds implausible, doesn't it?
Otherwise, can we assume that if the Chinese bribe an executive of Pacific Gas and Electric, their military can land a force to take some Chinese spy out of an American prison? Isn't there more to it than that? -
StephanieRock — 15 years ago(November 19, 2010 12:52 PM)
It wasn't an "attack from the air"
It would be like if two helicopters decided to fly over a prison in the U.S. Do you think there's a US military team reading and waiting to counter an escape-plot at every prison in the United States?
China. Its kind of a big place. -
Nizzemancer-1 — 10 years ago(May 02, 2015 03:26 PM)
As long as you fly low (or high if you're close to the radar station) enough you don't need to black out anything to get past a countrys air defenses, the reason they had to cut the power was because of the prisons external and internal security and to give the commando teams an advantage (night vision goggles is most likely not part of a prison guards standard equipment).
Light travels faster than sound,
that's why people seem bright,
until you hear them. -
kms081 — 17 years ago(April 07, 2008 10:21 PM)
exactly.. covert ops happen ALL THE TIME. war is more of a public relations thing to keep the public informed because its simply to large to hide. black ops are smash and grab quickies that dont need broadcasting.
-
magusj — 17 years ago(April 22, 2008 05:29 PM)
last I checked a US military special ops team engaging in sabotage, breaking and entery, usage of military weapons on Chinese sovereign territory against Chinese personnel CONSTITUTES A @*#$ INVASION.
Can you even IMAGINE the repercussions of something like this in the real world? this just totally blew my suspension of disbelief away, and ruined the movie for me. -
magusj — 17 years ago(April 22, 2008 06:23 PM)
not in CHINA it doesnt dude! that's a declaration of war! Remember the huckuss cuz the americans had a plane that was arguably over the international air border for China and collided with a Chinese plane? can you even IMAGINE a full fledged military operation on Chinese soil?
I dont know just seemed silly and non-believable to me. -
juanpide — 17 years ago(July 18, 2008 04:11 PM)
'extracted' ??
Don't make me laugh.
It wasn't a breakout but a militar attack with two helicopters and a lot of armed soldiers.
And, they shot against the jailers, Chinese people.
If USA helicopters had really entered into China's airpsace and soldiers had shot Chinese people, China would have sent their aircraft, launched missiles against the helicopters and even declared the war against the United States.
They are not stupid, even if they wouldn't caught any American they know who is rescuing the prisoners.
OK, the film is supposed to take place in the eighties, when Chinese air force wasn't a as powerful as now, but it's unbelievable that USA risked causing a war.
China is not a banana republic but a huge and powerful country. -
Logoutx — 17 years ago(May 08, 2008 05:23 PM)
I really enjoyed this movie.
Of course the US government would not send SEALS to assault a China's military base after 1979, they didn't do that to USSR which had taken many American spies. But in this movie, it wasn't done by the US government, i'ts Redford who FAKED an order to execute a rescue mission, that's logical.
The real problems about the last assault:
1, There is no US Military Base in "80 miles West of Su Chou". The west is inland China!
2, You just can't bribe some local officials to black out a major city with 282,000 USD. People in charge of these power stations would be shot for treason. In fact, those people could get that kind of money in a year with only little risks.
For the Greater Good -
John_Dee_007 — 17 years ago(July 16, 2008 02:02 AM)
You know those people who feel righteously compelled to assume they can kill a thread with those annoying words, "
It's just a movie
"? Well right now I have nothing but contempt for myself as I'm about to utter those very same words. It's just a movie. Ugh, I can't believe I just said that, but in this case, I really do think those words apply here.
I mean really, c'mon guys. The rescue/extraction was always the inevitable and necessary conclusion to the plight of Bishop and the plot tool for Muir's interrogation. The movie hinged on this outcome and, in my view, it worked. At no point in the film was I under any delusions that this was based on actual events. I had no more trouble suspending my belief with this film than I did accepting that an ex-Navy Seal-turned-cook could single-handedly save the world from the capture of the USS Missouri by a bunch of rock n roll terrorists.
"People should know when they're conquered"- Quintus
-
siukong — 16 years ago(June 19, 2009 12:26 PM)
Exactly. I knew THE SECOND Muir mentioned to Bishop "put aside some money for when you retire, and never touch it, for anything" that he would use his own secret stash to rescue him.
What would be the alternative? Bishop gets executed and Muir retires in comfort in the Bahamas after acting strange for no reason his last day on the job. Yeah, that would make a GREAT ending.