WTF?
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StephanieRock — 15 years ago(November 19, 2010 12:52 PM)
It wasn't an "attack from the air"
It would be like if two helicopters decided to fly over a prison in the U.S. Do you think there's a US military team reading and waiting to counter an escape-plot at every prison in the United States?
China. Its kind of a big place. -
Nizzemancer-1 — 10 years ago(May 02, 2015 03:26 PM)
As long as you fly low (or high if you're close to the radar station) enough you don't need to black out anything to get past a countrys air defenses, the reason they had to cut the power was because of the prisons external and internal security and to give the commando teams an advantage (night vision goggles is most likely not part of a prison guards standard equipment).
Light travels faster than sound,
that's why people seem bright,
until you hear them. -
kms081 — 17 years ago(April 07, 2008 10:21 PM)
exactly.. covert ops happen ALL THE TIME. war is more of a public relations thing to keep the public informed because its simply to large to hide. black ops are smash and grab quickies that dont need broadcasting.
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magusj — 17 years ago(April 22, 2008 05:29 PM)
last I checked a US military special ops team engaging in sabotage, breaking and entery, usage of military weapons on Chinese sovereign territory against Chinese personnel CONSTITUTES A @*#$ INVASION.
Can you even IMAGINE the repercussions of something like this in the real world? this just totally blew my suspension of disbelief away, and ruined the movie for me. -
magusj — 17 years ago(April 22, 2008 06:23 PM)
not in CHINA it doesnt dude! that's a declaration of war! Remember the huckuss cuz the americans had a plane that was arguably over the international air border for China and collided with a Chinese plane? can you even IMAGINE a full fledged military operation on Chinese soil?
I dont know just seemed silly and non-believable to me. -
juanpide — 17 years ago(July 18, 2008 04:11 PM)
'extracted' ??
Don't make me laugh.
It wasn't a breakout but a militar attack with two helicopters and a lot of armed soldiers.
And, they shot against the jailers, Chinese people.
If USA helicopters had really entered into China's airpsace and soldiers had shot Chinese people, China would have sent their aircraft, launched missiles against the helicopters and even declared the war against the United States.
They are not stupid, even if they wouldn't caught any American they know who is rescuing the prisoners.
OK, the film is supposed to take place in the eighties, when Chinese air force wasn't a as powerful as now, but it's unbelievable that USA risked causing a war.
China is not a banana republic but a huge and powerful country. -
Logoutx — 17 years ago(May 08, 2008 05:23 PM)
I really enjoyed this movie.
Of course the US government would not send SEALS to assault a China's military base after 1979, they didn't do that to USSR which had taken many American spies. But in this movie, it wasn't done by the US government, i'ts Redford who FAKED an order to execute a rescue mission, that's logical.
The real problems about the last assault:
1, There is no US Military Base in "80 miles West of Su Chou". The west is inland China!
2, You just can't bribe some local officials to black out a major city with 282,000 USD. People in charge of these power stations would be shot for treason. In fact, those people could get that kind of money in a year with only little risks.
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John_Dee_007 — 17 years ago(July 16, 2008 02:02 AM)
You know those people who feel righteously compelled to assume they can kill a thread with those annoying words, "
It's just a movie
"? Well right now I have nothing but contempt for myself as I'm about to utter those very same words. It's just a movie. Ugh, I can't believe I just said that, but in this case, I really do think those words apply here.
I mean really, c'mon guys. The rescue/extraction was always the inevitable and necessary conclusion to the plight of Bishop and the plot tool for Muir's interrogation. The movie hinged on this outcome and, in my view, it worked. At no point in the film was I under any delusions that this was based on actual events. I had no more trouble suspending my belief with this film than I did accepting that an ex-Navy Seal-turned-cook could single-handedly save the world from the capture of the USS Missouri by a bunch of rock n roll terrorists.
"People should know when they're conquered"- Quintus
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siukong — 16 years ago(June 19, 2009 12:26 PM)
Exactly. I knew THE SECOND Muir mentioned to Bishop "put aside some money for when you retire, and never touch it, for anything" that he would use his own secret stash to rescue him.
What would be the alternative? Bishop gets executed and Muir retires in comfort in the Bahamas after acting strange for no reason his last day on the job. Yeah, that would make a GREAT ending. -
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istupido — 17 years ago(August 01, 2008 02:44 AM)
i dont think it's an invasion on the chinese for me it's a covert rescue mission a rescue mission that should not happen in the first place since it was conducted by a cia personnel (redford) who fakes the signature of the person who is authorized to sign it of course the one who should sign to approve the mission is not going to sign it because he doesnt approve it and so nathan (redford) really wanted to rescue bishop decided to forge the signature of his boss and upon confirmation the commander of the air carrier order his men to execute the rescue mission of bishop
see if the director of the cia was asked permission to sign the order of rescuing bishop i doubt he would sign it since bishop is just a cia agent, he is not the president or even a senator of the united states or a person that can harm the security of the united states if captured by another government and the fact that he went to china not on official cia business
now regarding the cut off electricity, well i think the movie's setting was after the vietnam war or during later 70's or early 80's, from my opinion i think china thou they are big but their military's equipment i assume is not fully modernized so i think it's possible that cutting the electricity can help the covert rescue mission
the bribery i think this is were a bit flaw could be seen im not saying chinese is corrupt but it's possible that a chinese (same with any nationality) can accept a bribe considering that life or money is hard in china during those day's and the fact that they are putting their lives on the line since if they were caught they definitely will be dead the flaw i think is that the americans rescue only bishop and his galpal, so it's no doubt that the chinese would not suspect that the americans is the culprit and besides the amount of money that is bribe even with exchange rate those day's it still too small
i always see the word invasion for me what the americans did, thou with violence is not an invasion, it simply is a covert rescue mission, rescuing one of them if there is an invasion then the US military should not just go to the prison and get their man, they should also bombed the chinese military bases and drop bombs on strategic chinese facility but no, they did not the americans simply arrive in the prison, get their target which is bishop and then leave they did not bomb the facility they just killed chinese soldiers that are a threat to them in completing their mission