what kind of sick human beings…
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Alexowens — 11 years ago(July 11, 2014 03:21 AM)
I agree, it's a basic convention of cinema, like the saying about what happens "behind closed doors". I hadn't watched this film for years, but on rewatching last night, I certainly thought that rape or assault was implied, and upon reading a thread saying that a rape scene was in the original script, I think this was definitely the intention.
She is treated differently to all the other passengers. I kept thinking why haven't they just killed her like all the others, until they took her into the room. It's been inserted as one of the most horrific acts that anyone can commit which certainly comes into play later with all the talk of sins etc. This is cinematic shorthand to emphasise how evil these men were: murderers, rapists and showing greed/lust for the gold.
I don't think this type of film would shy away from showing her murder otherwise, like some others have said. It's not Spielberg where children inexplicably don't die. (I'm thinking Jurassic Park, War of the Worlds etc)
Still gives me chills, not nearly as bad as when Rorschach finds evidence of the murdered little girl in Watchmen though :shudders: -
ShadowsGathered — 11 years ago(June 21, 2014 06:36 PM)
You're right the mere act of closing the door doesn't mean rape on its own but the look on Katie's face, when she shows Epps what happened to her, is a look of embarrassment and shame and that doesn't come from simply being killed by hanging also, the very fact they took her into a room and closed the door meant they had something on their minds besides simply killing Katie they weren't shy at all about all the other killings so why would murdering her in front of anyone or everyone bother them? I think the implication is obvious, and it's not a matter of personal interpretation at all.
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itsjustdawn81 — 10 years ago(August 25, 2015 03:40 PM)
HAHAHA! I have been reading the comments and wanting to smack people. I have never noticed that rape was implied. I've seen this movie many times and not once did I ever assume she was being raped. Nor do I ever see shame in Katie's face during the flashback scene with Epps. Sorrow/sadness yes, but she was killed for crying out loud.
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verbusen — 12 years ago(May 28, 2013 06:11 PM)
Had this on today (2013) for the first time, it was on the TV, when I watched that all those people were getting cut in half I realized it was sick and twisted and refused to watch any longer. So about 3 minutes in I switched the channel. I guess I'm old school, I don't need to watch bodies get sliced in half to know it happened.
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chilichilipepper — 12 years ago(June 01, 2013 11:05 AM)
Well, then I suggest that if you turn on the TV, and the movie says horror, change the channel?
How come I have a feeling that you had bo problem with the opening scene of Saving Private Ryan where people were getting cut into pieces by bullets (in a scene that was way more realistic and bloody than anything in Ghost Ship). -
Gaodhal — 11 years ago(July 11, 2014 05:52 AM)
The death of the girl as depicted in the film made little sense. Why bring her to her own cabin to kill her? Why go to the bother of hanging her?
This wasn't a Manson Family-esque group of nutters on a murderous rampage, motivated by a sadistic desire to inflict suffering and death. Their purpose was to dispatch the passengers and take the gold.
I suspect a late script re-write.
It's likely that the girl, alone on the ship after the deaths of the others, was originally supposed to have hung herself in her cabin.
Later, there were either second thoughts about the depiction of a child suicide, or it was felt her suicide conflicted with the image of her soul being pure and innocent - "unmarked".
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guardian2415 — 11 years ago(July 20, 2014 02:58 PM)
Many viewers of the film agree with your premise Gaodhal.
Anyone who has followed Ghost Ship from its earlier inceptions as a relatively bloodless mystery thriller are probably well acquainted with the later rewrites.
In the final version of the film there are events and characters who do things which make little sense. As stated, the character of Katie is most perplexing. However, interviews along with edited and alternate scenes provide some of the missing background information. Consider the following questions:
Q: How does Katie get blood on her dress?
A: Recall she got off completely unscathed during the cable incident, so she picked up the stain another way. I read one source which claims she tried to help an injured passenger.
Q: After the cable incident why does Katie run into danger against the flow of fleeing passengers?
A: She tries to get to her friend and trusted caregiver "The Friendly Officer." Notice a concerned passenger has to hold Katie to keep her from running to her friend despite the fact two malevolent conspirators were using him as a lure so they could murder her.
Q: Why didn't the two nefarious crewmen just murder Katie as soon as they caught her?
A1: This scene was filmed more than once and with missing dialogue. It appears something happened in the backstory with the homicidal crewmen, which for them made murdering Katie an act of revenge. They clearly wanted her to suffer while at the same time die quickly.
A2: Since she was just a young child, other shipmates kept trying to save Katie. Watch closely and you can even see her mouthing "help me!" and a few mates vainly attempting to do so.
A3: The evil crewmen didn't want anyone to know they murdered Katie. The murder of a sweet, innocent child was considered so reprehensible even some of the other conspirators wanted to spare her. The note in Katie's stateroom from the ship's purser and Francesca is one example of this. Recall Katie was the only child onboard.
A4: Epps finding Katie's hanging remains added to the emotional and dramatic affect. The art department worked to the the nth degree on Katie's remains. If you look closely you can see her wrists were bent up indicating the two conspirators had to hold her arms down until she died.
A5: There is (or at least was) a written and unwritten morality clause about toning down the murder of children onscreen. Hence, Katie's murder is not directly shown, however, the number on her cabin door "404" indicates she had been on the ship 40 years and 4 months. Closing doors are also a favorite way for directors to transition scenes. Symbolically, a closing door indicates a life being slammed shut (death).
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Lost_Woods87 — 11 years ago(October 27, 2014 02:23 PM)
I tend to agree with some of that but I disagree with some. I don't know why it was such a mystery that Katie had blood on her dress. People were getting shot up and cut up left and right. I'm actually surprised she wasn't soaked. As far as why the crewmen didn't kill her when they caught her, well you partially answered that yourself as well as did another user. Remember, Jack had to manipulate the crew. He had to tempt them by playing to their personality and their individual desires like he tried to do with Epps and her crew. He simply tempts them with gold and their other desires and watches as they greatly commit a plethora of sins to work towards what they want. Some users claim Katie was raped and then hung because the guys wanted her to die slowly and as you stated they used the unaware and friendly officer to lure her in. Who is to say that deep down they weren't psycho pedophiles giving into a sick sexual desire? The "trap" and how they killed her sure fits. The fact that it is all vague and happens off-screen kills 2 birds with one stone by giving no definite answer and by avoiding a gory child murder and possible rape scene
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haunt_freak — 11 years ago(October 11, 2014 02:23 PM)
Go watch
A Serbian Film
. You'll love it.Fear What's Inside
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