this movie is as stupid as it gets
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cbeckerman1 — 14 years ago(October 21, 2011 10:30 AM)
even animals know when its time to die. dogs an pea aphids can commit suicide are you trying to tell me shes less intelligent than an insect but we should still have sympathy for her? she apparently wanted to die enough to jump off a bridge. are you trying to tell me she went her entire life without having the notion adults should be responsible? funny how when she was at what we would consider social services she didnt say anything about how she was living. are you trying to tell me that the boy was smarter than she was to understand vegetables dont grow in winter? we should always believe what were told right rather then trying to protect ourselves because the criminals are always friends with the police right? I believe that in order to buy into this load of rubbish she would have had to have had severe mental damage to the point I was surprised she was able to be in school at all. she didnt have vivid hallucinations until the very end and how would she have known he was dead since her friend did it after she left? were led to believe she has some emotions for the boy yet she would leave him thinking he would whack himself? sorry this film has so many plot holes I could drive a car right through it.
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PoppyTransfusion — 14 years ago(October 21, 2011 03:21 PM)
Do you have no concept of learned helplessness? Or the effects on someone who has always been a victim? Her mother's a single parent who has taught her the only way out is a new life in the West. That's what she knows and that's what she goes with. You think an illegal in a country she doesn't know and with a language she doesn't speak will react the way you judge she should have?
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cbeckerman1 — 14 years ago(October 21, 2011 03:31 PM)
your only as helpless as you allow yourself or you want to be. always been a victim? or never used her head. so if one dream ends it doesnt mean you lay there and die you pick yourself up and do something about it as she started to do when she went to work - she used what she had- the sad part is she never used whats between her ears.common sense says she should have , if someone dropped me anywhere in the world and that happened to me I would go to the police, we the viewer have no more knowledge of police uniforms in other countries than she does but you know what it wasnt that hard to recognize who the police were. people seem to want to make excuses for her behavior rather than recognize it for what it was pure ignorance. I was raped repeatedly by someone that lived in my and my parents house he also told me he would kill me if i told anyone - did that stop me no it didnt. she has less sense than I did when I was nine that says a hl of a lot about her doesnt it? I was taught very early in life Fight or Die and I mean that quite literally. if i couldn't be fighting to live than I would be fighting to die. I am also Jewish my grandfather survived the holocaust while his entire family gave up, he snuck under the fence and lived in tbe woods for many years. its debatable whether animals commit suicide whats not debatable is that somehow her intelligence is less than an animals because even an animal knows to fight for its life, she just gave up and accepted her fate and cooperated till she finally jumped.
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PoppyTransfusion — 14 years ago(October 21, 2011 03:46 PM)
Right - you need to do some reading up of psychology. It's quite apparent that you are using
your
view of life from
your
situation with which to measure hers. You are not taking her view into account (makes you like the traffickers really). You need to read about the effects of 'learned helplessness', trauma and kidnapping on people. Then and only then might you be able to comprehend what the film is about and what you're grappling with.
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cbeckerman1 — 14 years ago(October 21, 2011 03:51 PM)
did you graduate high school? I really believe I am talking to someone as dumb as lilya. what is her view miss know it all that she just chose to accept whatever happened to her and thats fine and dandy as long as the viewer felt sympathy for her?I am using the view of common sense fight or flight she chose neither. learned helplessness is chosen helplessness which is choosing to act like a moron.
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cbeckerman1 — 14 years ago(October 21, 2011 03:58 PM)
. Learned helplessness theory is the view that clinical depression and related mental illnesses may result from a perceived absence of control over the outcome of a situation.[1]
so lets break this down clinical depression or related mental illness- choosing to be the victim because she refused to act to save her own skin
which perceived absense of control- my point again it does NOT say completely helpless it says perceived I am not going to go as far as to say this was completely her fault because it wasnt but she sure didnt want to help herself in any manner either so whos fault would that be? you can make excuses or you can excuse yourself from a horrible situation I chose the latter my brain works apparently hers didnt. -
Dawgisfun — 14 years ago(November 06, 2011 06:15 AM)
When you have clinical depression or a related mental illness you do not choose to be a victim.
When you perceive that you are helpless, you feel that you are not in control of the situation, therefore, need help from somebody or something.
She did not want to help herself? That makes no sense. Why would she want to stay there and decrease her flourishing? She obviously felt helpless
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cinesimon — 14 years ago(November 15, 2011 04:42 PM)
Your childishness and ignorance could not be any more pathetic.
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cbeckerman1 — 14 years ago(November 16, 2011 12:09 PM)
it is bizarre to not think of yourself as a victim when your at your lowest point or to think that life as it is might not be livable? I am not sure what you find strange about this but I dont understand how to simply escape reality do you think a starving man imagines food on which to live and that's enough for him to live? the reality is your starving lilyas reality like it or not, accept it or not was that she was a sex slave, I am only happy that she chose not to continue this miserable existence that she had no control over, the only control she had was whether or not to go to the authorities, but since she chose not to do that at least she chose the second best thing. living life as a victim is a choice you make whether conscious or unconscious, it takes strength to do something - anything about it.
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couzijn — 14 years ago(November 20, 2011 03:22 PM)
You can't tell from the outside whether Lilya was a victim by 'conscious or unconscious' choice or not. That's just your hypothesis. A hypothesis that can't fail is a useless hypothesis debatewise. You are free to believe in it, of course.
I find it rather naive to believe that victims of a situation for which they are not responsible may simply 'choose' to free themselves from its consequences. One probably needs hindsight for that.
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Dismenot — 11 years ago(August 08, 2014 10:05 PM)
pea aphids can commit suicide are you trying to tell me shes less intelligent than an insect but we should still have sympathy for her?
Spoken like a true blue fascist.
What a heartless berk, please go away.
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Miss_Xray — 10 years ago(October 15, 2015 05:35 PM)
Very well said and hope that is true.
Some people just don't have any concept of what it is to be traumatized and just sees it from their point of view, witch is really far off from being in that situation. Pure ignorance. =/ -
turkeyprophet — 13 years ago(April 09, 2012 06:19 AM)
What was she supposed to do when she escaped? She doesn't have any ID. She presumably doesn't speak much English or any Swedish. I think she was Russian and if that was the case then she can't stay in Sweden.
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HornyDonkey — 13 years ago(November 23, 2012 08:19 PM)
Did your mom drop you when you were a babyrepeatedly?
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buchowski — 13 years ago(February 03, 2013 03:35 PM)
"if I was her I would simply refuse to eat"
cbeckerman1, you are a complete moron. They ply girls with alcohol and drugs, repeatedly rape them, they are not able to say no when drunk and drugged.
cbeckerman1, you have the intelligence of a fly.