Without spoiling, are the following episodes better than the pilot?
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Loves-Bitch — 9 years ago(December 18, 2016 08:02 PM)
Now you see, I thought the Pilot was much better than the Train Job. Jaynestown is my second least favorite, though it's many peoples favorite. I still think it's great just not as great as the others. Out of Gas, Bushwhacked, War Stories, and the finale (Objects in Space) Are the ones I feel are the best, but yes it picks up more after the pilot sets up the basis.
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NVDan — 9 years ago(December 19, 2016 09:53 AM)
Now you see, I thought the Pilot was much better than the Train Job.
I definitely think the pilot was much better at introducing the characters than the Train Job. The point I was making was that FOX didn't like the pilot and asked Whedon to write something else. The result was The Train Job which FOX ran instead of the pilot. As one of the handful of people who watched Firefly when it first ran, The Train Job was my introduction to the 'verse. It wasn't until after the show was cancelled and FOX ran the pilot at the end that I finally knew how the Tams and Shepherd Book ended up on Serenity.
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Loves-Bitch — 9 years ago(December 20, 2016 05:53 PM)
Oops, I did misread that. I didn't see Firefly until the DVDs. I can only imagine how confusing it was trying to piece the story together from just the Train Job on.
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NVDan — 9 years ago(December 21, 2016 10:45 AM)
I can only imagine how confusing it was trying to piece the story together from just the Train Job on.
Not only that but for some reason FOX ran some of the other episodes out of order, too.
It still couldn't hide the brilliance of the show.
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EricCartmanBrah — 9 years ago(January 04, 2017 11:50 AM)
Watched through all of it now. Most of the episodes are definitely better than the pilot. Overall I liked it. Though it didn't have an end and many things were left unanswered like. What is Shepherd's connection with the alliance? Inara's love for Mal was never resolved, and neither were many villains' story arcs. Plus some more stuff I'm forgetting at the moment, damn that cancellation.
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NVDan — 9 years ago(January 04, 2017 02:32 PM)
What is Shepherd's connection with the alliance?
Joss Whedon wrote a comic book called
Serenity: The Shepherd's Tale
. You can read a synopsis of the story here:
http://firefly.wikia.com/wiki/Serenity:_The_Shepherd's_Tale
And while it doesn't delve into Shepherd Book's past, there is also a movie that takes place after the end of the show.
Serenity (2005)
Plus some more stuff I'm forgetting at the moment, damn that cancellation.
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CigarDoug — 9 years ago(January 24, 2017 10:28 AM)
Haha browncoats, that's what the Nazis are often referred to as
heavy sigh No, that would be brown SHIRTS.
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CGSailor — 9 years ago(January 11, 2017 03:50 PM)
In almost any series, the initial episode, or pilot, is going to be weaker than the more typical episode. In a long running series (Which sadly, Firefly ain't), there will be the ocassional worse episode, but the first one is going to be one of the weaker.
Precisely BECAUSE it's the first. The characters are still being fleshed out, the Actors still learning how to be comfortable in the roles and how to act them out.
I love all the episodes, but if I had to rank them in order of best liked to least, Serenity 1&2 would be on the lower end and most all the rest are much better.
My personal least favorite, but still well liked, is Bushwhacked.
My Best liked I cant decide.
Jaynestown, Our Mrs Reynolds, Out of Gas, Ariel, Trash, Objects in Space. all vie for top spot equally.
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poem — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 05:47 AM)
In almost any series, the initial episode, or pilot, is going to be weaker than the more typical episode.
I would state the opposite.
Its true one can sometimes spot actors being still uncomfortable with their parts. Alan Alda during the start of MAS*H comes to mind.
However many shows take priority in getting a good opener - and I think thats a good idea, get the people interested while you can.
Becker for example has an awesome first scene and the whole first episode stays strong after that.
Buffy the vampire slayer does the same. The first double episode starts and never stops having hold. While many of the other episodes of the first season are kind of cheap monster of the week episodes. Granted, they still have the great characterization and dialogue and humor, but they arent as strong in the story.
The first Sabrina the teenage witch episode is probably one of the best Sabrina episodes in total. Especially considering that after the first three seasons, the show takes an extreme nosedrive into ever lower quality. And actually that first episode showed promise that never got realized later. Namely somehow Sabrina never again showed the ability to know things she shouldnt know.
One could argue how good the first episode of Dark Matter really is, but it certainly tried to archieve having a good opener and its definitely in the better half of episodes of that season.
The first Star Trek episode is also one of the best episodes of the whole show. While many other episodes are kind of repetitive, the first episode captures a sort of unique theme, a human turning superhuman.
Star Trek Voyager certainly had a truely weak first episode. It also had an incredibly weak last episode. It also wasnt that great of a show.
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