The Grudge vs. Ju-On
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jmacgrath — 19 years ago(September 26, 2006 12:01 PM)
i personally loved The Grudge(2004 can't wait for The Grudge 2!) and i think that it was far superior to Ju-On which was a HUGE letdown for me. I thought that SMG did a terrific job and the film WAS SCARY! also, in The Grudge(2004) there is a deleted scene which shows more of how kayako and toshio were killed but it all was edited (along with the father hanging from the ceiling) for a PG-13 rating.why a PG-13? for profits but i think that the film could have done even better if those scenes were not edited out.
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Z_cm — 21 years ago(March 08, 2005 08:54 AM)
"I am somewhat confused though, because neither Ju-On nor The Grudge told how Kayako died or Toshio"
if you buy the dvd with all the extras, you see a cut scene commented by the director, that shows how takeo killed his wife (although his spirit is just recreating the event). i think the other characters, except maybe tatsuya's wife, don't suffer a violent death as in, broken bones, slit throats, etc. like kayako's they either die like they're in shock or they're dragged into the darkness where their souls become trapped. watch all the interviews and cut scenes on the dvd, it clears up the obscure bits.
although now i'm not so sure if i should've posted this on the other ju-on board. but the dvd explains it
i was actually reading this thread to see if the grudge was better than ju-on heh. i'm wondering if the hollywood cgi bonanza ruins the movie, cause it usually does. ju-on is great because of that, everything stays hidden until the very last moment so it's a lot scarier
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heathfair2004 — 20 years ago(February 21, 2006 03:28 AM)
I've been studying this for a whiule in colledge so heres something to clear it up:
Kayako was killed as her husband twisted her neck around, splintering her spinal chord and voicebox which explains why she can only make that weird crackling gurgle sound.
Toshio was drowned by his father after he killed toshio's cat. thats why he appears when the detective is trying to revive toshio in the bathroom, the ghosts relive their deaths remember.
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andvarenaut — 20 years ago(March 30, 2006 05:04 AM)
The Grudge disappointed me heavily. Seems to me that the Juon played upon a lasting sinister feeling, whereas The Grudge had to have the typical ghost story shock effects crammed in at large.
As for the lack of explanation Id say less is more. Horror movies often get choked in too much explaning, be the psycological or metaphysical.
As for the final scene, it seems to me the director couldnt decide whether to use the final girl cliche or not.
Original Juon and Juon 2 are two of the most frightening and lingering horror movies Ive ever seen.
..still wondering why Buffy doesnt use her slayer skills and kicks some serious ghost arse:) -
ringo_bonnie_pink — 21 years ago(December 05, 2004 12:29 AM)
sure the ghosts look fake If you think about difference in budget Im sure you will figure out whyl think american try to hard to make something "scary" I was scared beep when I saw Ju-on was afraid of tables and beds but when I saw the grudge I laughed through the whole thing it was so fake and the acting terrible
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taler — 21 years ago(January 05, 2005 08:03 AM)
Hey come on "ringo bonnie pink", even if you prefer the japanese version you cant mean that you found the remake funny. The difference between the movies are not so big that one is the scariest movie ever and the other one is funny. I think you are just one of those who says "the original is always the best" regardless the quality of the remake. Well often you are right but in this case its even the same director as the original, I cant understand why he would make a remake (specially with the budget of a hollywood film)that feels fake.
Of course youre entitled to have your own opinion I just wanna say that i disagree. I for sure didnt got the feeling of anything being "fake", but maybe thats just me:) -
rossm-3 — 21 years ago(January 08, 2005 11:47 PM)
I saw "The Grudge" firstI was so friggin bored throughout the whole film it wasn't funny. There were all of 2 parts which made me hesitate with a "possible" slight jolt. Two thumbs up for the background story that was thoroughly explained in the American version..however, I saw Ju-on today and liked it so much better. Ok yeah the make-up was cheesy given it's budget and all but, I liked the narrative of different stories, similiar to Tarantino's style. I also watched some of the directors comments on his montage for the deleted scenes.very insightful! I liked the fact that Ju-on was creepy but cheesy in the old school sort of horror way. "The Grudge" just seemed boring. I'd like to add that I am not big on subtitles, but most of the subtitled films I do watch, I tend to appreciate more than american films.
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zombie-jesus — 21 years ago(December 06, 2004 03:59 AM)
Just wanted to know:
Are you referring with "The Grudge" to the 2003 Japanese Movie "Ju-On: The Grudge" or the cheap, trying way to hard 2004 American Remake with Sarah Michelle "I'm so damn boring" Gellar?
I haven't seen 2000's "Ju-On" yet, but I really liked the Japanese "Grudge" - that movie was rad! -
amixdel — 21 years ago(December 16, 2004 01:06 AM)
I almost liked the American version of The Grudge better than the original. I don't feel that the added gore took away from the film at all, not did the removed sceen about the school girl who has the curse, whos friends come to visit her
It was also nice to see that they tried to show a bit on the ghost family, and how they all died. Definatly better than the American Ring, but then again, this made by the same guys who made the original.
My gripe with this is Gellar! I was shocked at what a good job she was doing in the film
till the end where she faces off with the ghosts herself. Everything was going smoothly then, BAM, she seemed to drop out of character, magically cease to be totally horrified, and jumped into her Buffy character almost, or rather a sceen from Die Hard? I dunno, I just feel that she insisted upon doing that in the film, and the director, trusting her judgment, ok'ed it.
All in all the remake was a great ride, just a BIG let down in the end.
Anyhow, what you guys NEED to do, is get a hold of the Ju-On series:
Ju-On - The Curse 1 and 2
Ju-On - The Gudge 1 and 2.
This is the REAL way to experience this movie!
Also check out Dark Water, a film I personally feel is even better, even though it shows less. Amazing, but true!:) -
nilsenator — 21 years ago(December 17, 2004 06:11 PM)
Dude
Actually there aren't 3 versions of this film ..
ju-on the curse
ju-on the curse 2
ju-on the grudge
ju-on the grudge 2
the grudge
So .. these 5 movies were made right ?!
But these movies ain't different versions of eachother except for The Grudge which is a remake of the 3th movie, but also has hints & scenes from the first 2 movies.
Correct moi if i'm wrong !
But if u wanna know which one is better u should see them yourself right ?!
But if u wanna know which one I think is best i would say Ju-on The Grudge ( original ) But this is only because i've seen this movie first instead of Ju-On : The Curse 1 & 2.
U still dig whot i'm sayin'?! -
ScreamingBlueBanshee — 21 years ago(December 25, 2004 11:48 AM)
The Second original is the best.
This one (Ju-on the Curse) has the story of the teacher. Same actors who play Kayako & Takeo in remake but different Toshio.
Ju-on the Grudge is mostly the rest of the story but is much better & a lot more easier to understand than the first one. It's Very, Very creepy. Same actors play Kayako, Takeo & Toshio as the American version.
The Grudge Remake.. Good until about 30 mins from the end then well it just sucked.
Basically with the remake what they did was take teacher story & the rest of it & put them together.
I haven't seen the other 2 yet so I don't know how they fit in. -
Wolf120 — 21 years ago(December 27, 2004 09:04 PM)
The Grudge.alright
Ju-on..INCREDBLE
The Grudge was enjoyable. For a while I loved it. Until today. Today I saw Ju-on, and I must say, the people who wrote The Grudge screwed it up SO bad. They made Kayako stupid looking and unrealistic, made it WAY to much like The Ring, and lacked Toshio to much. It wasn't as scary, while now, after watching Ju-on, I can't type without shaking. They cut out the futuristic scene, the best part of the whole movie, and just screwed it up.
So Ju-on. Obviously.
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