Keeping Faith Simple
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mamu2 — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 07:38 AM)
let me educate you.
God is 1 being, in 3 persons.- Father
- Son (Jesus)
- Holy Spirit
Except you haven't. Angry posted 6 examples derived from the Bible showing how Jesus is not God. You posted a belief without any Biblical evidence to support your claim. That isn't educating.
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marty-130-840283 — 9 years ago(January 01, 2017 07:59 AM)
Except you haven't. Angry posted 6 examples derived from the Bible showing how Jesus is not God. You posted a belief without any Biblical evidence to support your claim. That isn't educating.
Its not my belief. It is what is stated in the Bible.- worshipped God
Jesus obeyed God, not so much worshipped
2)prayed to God
Jesus prayed to his father, being the Holy Trinity (1 God in 3 persons) - lived for God
Lived for, and obeyed his father, being the Holy Trinity (1 God in 3 persons) - was adopted by God
What? - never once said "Hey pray to me I'm God" in fact he said in the book of Matthew "When you pray to God in your room/corner" He didn't say "When you pray to me in your corner"
being the Holy Trinity (1 God in 3 persons) - Said his power came FROM GOD. Just like elijah and all the Prophets like Moses were given power by God to do miraculous things
being the Holy Trinity (1 God in 3 persons)
It seems more detailed education is needed (see below)is this enough to shut you up Mamu?
"What does the Bible teach about the Trinity?"
Answer: The most difficult thing about the Christian concept of the Trinity is that there is no way to perfectly and completely understand it. The Trinity is a concept that is impossible for any human being to fully understand, let alone explain. God is infinitely greater than we are; therefore, we should not expect to be able to fully understand Him. The Bible teaches that the Father is God, that Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God. The Bible also teaches that there is only one God. Though we can understand some facts about the relationship of the different Persons of the Trinity to one another, ultimately, it is incomprehensible to the human mind. However, this does not mean the Trinity is not true or that it is not based on the teachings of the Bible.
The Trinity is one God existing in three Persons. Understand that this is not in any way suggesting three Gods. Keep in mind when studying this subject that the word Trinity is not found in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune Godthree coexistent, co-eternal Persons who make up God. Of real importance is that the concept represented by the word Trinity does exist in Scripture. The following is what Gods Word says about the Trinity: - There is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5).
- The Trinity consists of three Persons (Genesis 1:1, 26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8, 48:16, 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). In Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for us is used. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun us are plural forms, definitely referring in the Hebrew language to more than two. While this is not an explicit argument for the Trinity, it does denote the aspect of plurality in God. The Hebrew word for "God," "Elohim," definitely allows for the Trinity.
In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus' baptism. Seen in this passage is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of three distinct Persons in the Trinity. - The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages. In the Old Testament, LORD is distinguished from Lord (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The LORD has a Son (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). The Spirit is distinguished from the LORD (Numbers 27:18) and from God (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17). This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another Person in the Trinitythe Father.
- Each member of the Trinity is God. The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2). The Son is God (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20). The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16).
- There is subordination within the Trinity. Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship and does not deny the deity of any Person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see Luke 22:42, John 5:36, John 20:21, and 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see John 14:16, 14:26, 15:26, 16:7, and especially John 16:13-14.
- The individual members of the Trinity have different tasks. The Father is the ultimate sou
- worshipped God
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raif-1 — 9 years ago(January 01, 2017 02:35 PM)
I think what Mamu was saying all along is letting scripture describe itself and the Bible says that GOD is one, not trinity. All the supposedly trinity verses can be answered by looking at other verses and getting the right context. Only the church teaches trinity which apparently is not biblical.
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uther8 — 9 years ago(January 02, 2017 12:56 AM)
As Raif said:
"GOD is one, not trinity. All the supposedly trinity verses can be answered by looking at other verses and getting the right context. Only the church teaches trinity which apparently is not biblical."
Why do I always have to repeat myself?
Because you're making claims, not stating facts.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free - Goethe -
mamu2 — 9 years ago(January 03, 2017 06:19 AM)
If you read the article I just posted, it clearly states this.
The article may state this, but the Bible does not. The article is an opinion piece only, and one not supported by Scripture. This is not considered education.
Again
How can God sit at the right hand of himself?
How can God forsake himself?
Why does God need a God?
How can God know things that God doesn't know?
How can God be greater than himself?
Why would God pray to himself?
It's very clear. Jesus claims to be God's son in the Biblenot God. Big difference. That's why men had to vote on his divinity. That is historical, and something that one can become educated in. -
Navaros — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 09:59 AM)
It's very clear. Jesus claims to be God's son in the Biblenot God. Big difference.
Actually, no it's not. As always, you are committing dissembly. Your quoted statement is presenting a false dichotomy logical fallacy by saying that "either Jesus is God's son, or Jesus is God.
But your false dichotomy is false.
Jesus is
simultaneously
the Son of God
and
God.
"Science creates fictions to explain facts" Gilman -
Navaros — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 10:04 AM)
what Mamu was saying all alongapparently is not biblical.
raif, if you continue to accept "biblical advice" from ungodly people such as mamu and batasch, who know nothing about the Bible and who lie about its meanings every chance they get, then you will never understand what is or is not biblical. In fact, you will be worse off than ignorance of the Biblebecause you will accept mamu et al.'s lies as "biblical" even though they are anything but.
"Science creates fictions to explain facts" Gilman