First time I've seen this, so many questions!
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bastasch8647 — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 04:14 PM)
mamu wrote,
that doesn't mean we don't have the capacity to overcome it and resist daily temptation. Simple will power can keep you from sinning, never mind a fear of eternal damnation.
Darn right! As you indeed pointed out by your very apt NT citations. And the Hebrew Bible agrees with you, telling the Jews that the Law and Torah-obedience is not something far away and unattainable; it is not a "yoke", as Paul thought of it; it is achievable via human will and God's grace. At least the Catholics recognize this with their Sacrament of Confession - i.e., the Church recognizes that, even with the grace of Jesus' atoning death, we still suffer from the effects of our sin-nature, or "concupiscence" **, which will sometimes cause us to fail and seek sacramental absolution
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a desire of the lower appetite contrary to reason. For Christians, concupiscence is what they understand as the orientation, inclination or innate tendency of human beings to long for fleshly appetites, often associated with a desire to do things which are proscribed.- Wikipedia
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raif-1 — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 03:58 PM)
You honestly don't think God gets tired of hearing you're sorry every single day, and annoyed you've learned nothing from it?
GOD never gets tired of us asking from him and he never gets tired of listening to us. Those are men's qualities
. Yes, we do get tired from people asking things from us but not GOD. GOD loves those that ask from him because this is one part of of us showing our humbleness in front of him. Consider these hadith traditions
God loves nothing better than that His servants ask from Him. Imam al-Baqir (a)
Supplicate, for there is nothing like Dua to get you closer to Allah, and do not leave out your minor needs, for the One who is the Master of the major needs is also the Master of the minor ones. Imam as-Sadiq (a)
I am as My servant thinks (expects) I am. I am with him when he mentions Me. If he mentions Me to himself, I mention him to Myself; and if he mentions Me in an assembly, I mention him in an assembly greater than it. If he draws near to Me a hands length, I draw near to him an arms length. And if he comes to Me walking, I go to him at speed.
More about this
http://hadithaday.org/hadith-qudsi/i-am-as-my-servant-thinks-expects-i-am/ -
bastasch8647 — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 04:19 PM)
Yes, the Q'uran teaches about God's mercy. But the problem with Christians who think like marty is that they tear out and discard those parts of their own scriptures that insist that their God does judge a person by his/her works, and not "by faith alone". They separate the "salvation by faith" texts from the "salvation by love, charity, and compassionate works" texts. The result is - like the "Jefferson Bible", from which he excised all material that cause his rationalist sensibilities to break out in hives - a simple, arbitrary mutilation. The NT Letter of James addresses this "Pauline/Protestant" error, and says that "no one is saved by faith alone" - the only time, incidentally, that the phrase "faith alone" occurs in the Bible - and it completely contradicts the erroneous "Faith-only" thinking of marty and other such "Lutherist" Christians.
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iBabble — 9 years ago(January 14, 2017 05:07 AM)
Religion seems to throw out more questions than answers! So confusing. I personally, myself, think of Jesus as more a prophet & find his story absolutely heartbreaking
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raif-1 — 9 years ago(January 14, 2017 05:18 AM)
Well iBabble, besides Christianity, Islam is the only religion that believes in Jesus. However, unlike Christians, we believe Jesus to be a messenger of GOD and not divine. We also believe that he did not die on the cross and that GOD substituted him for another (believed to be Judas) to save him from being crucified. Like Christians we too believe in his second coming in the end days to defeat the antichrist.
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iBabble — 9 years ago(January 14, 2017 05:39 AM)
Is this supposed to be in our life time? In Islam or Christianity? Some people believe he is here & I know there have been many 'theories' as to the identity of the antichrist! To be fair, historically, there have been a few contenders!
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marty-130-840283 — 9 years ago(January 14, 2017 05:42 AM)
no iBabble, the end times are not here yet. Throughout history, people have speculated about the Anti Christ (Hitler, Nero etc)
However, it very much feels like the end times are getting closer, in our lifetime? I dont know -
Rumble_McSkirmish — 9 years ago(January 14, 2017 01:56 PM)
Nothing's really gotten worse, just that in modern times we are exposed to more news about it. In times before violence happened all the time, and barring some huge disaster/tragedy, you wouldn't hear about it.
Now days all you have to do is turn your phone on and you'll hear what color socks some world leader wears on a Tuesday
Panzer vor! -
marty-130-840283 — 9 years ago(January 14, 2017 05:47 AM)
if you have more questions and are confused, ask away, and I will give you a Christianity based answer from the Bible (not an Islamic based answer based on the Koran)
I personally, myself, think of Jesus as more a prophet
Doesnt really matter what you think. The truth is, he was God, not just a prophet. The truth, and what you personally believe, are 2 different things. -
iBabble — 9 years ago(January 14, 2017 05:56 AM)
Doesnt really matter what you think. The truth is, he was God, not just a prophet. The truth, and what you personally believe, are 2 different things.
It does matter! Like it matters to those who believe the Quran or in nature or the Gods! It matters as each individual has their 'truth', as you have yours. You cannot give me absolute proof that Jesus is God? I am just trying to relate him to real life so I believe
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Rumble_McSkirmish — 9 years ago(January 14, 2017 02:07 PM)
See, here's the problem iBabble. While it does matter, it doesn't to Marty because Marty is always right, he has to be right. This is why some of us are on his ignore list, because he was constantly being shut down for his, frankly, ignorant beliefs about his own religion. In many cases he's even stated the exact opposite of what is written and when cornered either runs from the thread for a month or two and comes back to ignore the question when he thinks everyone has forgotten, places people on ignore, or spins backflips that would earn him a gold medal in the Olympics.
Marty is what is dubbed a bad Christian. He states things that simply aren't backed up by scripture, demands he's right, and proceeds to be a huge ass hole about it in the name of saving people by pushing them away. Marty is the cancer that is killing his religion
there is only 1 God.
Yet in Genesis god refers to "us" as in speaking to other gods.
And Jesus is not god, he is the son of and worked through his father's power. Never once did he claim to be the god. It's just you loony tunes evangicals that worship jesus like he was a god. Jesus just said he was the path to god, i.e. the example to be and follow to get to heaven. Hence why he spent so much time doing rather than preaching, he was teaching people how to live
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raif-1 — 9 years ago(January 14, 2017 08:04 AM)
It does matter! Like it matters to those who believe the Quran or in nature or the Gods! It matters as each individual has their 'truth', as you have yours. You cannot give me absolute proof that Jesus is God? I am just trying to relate him to real life so I believe
As I said, I respect all faith in whom or what ever! It all matters!
For you iBabble
http://islamicsunrays.com/had-allah-willed-he-would-have-made-you-one-ummah/ -
mamu2 — 9 years ago(January 16, 2017 09:26 AM)
You cannot give me absolute proof that Jesus is God?
Not even the Bible can provide absolute proof of that. In fact, it supports just the opposite. Jesus makes many statements to the effect that he is not God in the gospels. The divinity of Jesus and the Trinity are man made constructs that had to be voted upon by men centuries after the fact. -
raif-1 — 9 years ago(January 16, 2017 02:30 PM)
Mamu, perhaps most believers say like you ie "belief without evidence" but most believe with evidence in that they see and seem to perceive existence of GOD. Most will say the creation of the universe and the creation of the creatures and us humans are "good" enough proof of GOD's existence. Most just don't just believe but "believe with evidence" even though some may question those evidences.