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SeisCinemaSeis — 16 years ago(November 24, 2009 04:31 PM)
Another showcase of the rampant hypocrisy from the inhabitants of the US and A.
Lars is only picking at that huge hypocrisy from many (not all, of course) yanks.
How many times we have seen Hollywood portraying the "vices" of other nations in the most grotesque and despicable way? How many propaganda films about how beep great is Amuhrrika have produced Hollywood in the last 90 years?
Practically every other country have been vilified ad nasueam by hundreds if not thousands of movies that depicts africans, latin-americans, europeans, asians, etc. no better than savage beasts.
In how many Hollywood films the villains are always: arabs, latinos, germans, frenchs, russians, slavs in general, japanese, chinese, north-koreans, vietnamites, cambodians, africans, spaniards, turks, even englishmen and canucks!?
But don't dare you to make a movie about one BIG truth on the very recent past of the USA because then you are the worst scumbag in the history of mankind! Hypocrites!
Recently across USA everybody was celebrating the fall of Berlin Wall, but at the same time the US government is rising a bigger wall in the border with Mexico, pushing honest and humble hardworkers who are only looking for a decent job, to cross across the merciless desert.
MORE people have died because of that Wall in the border in the last 2 years than whole the people who died while trying to leave East-Berlin since it was built until it was demolished. What about that?
Don't chicken out from your own vicious past. USA practically exterminated native-americans. Stole whole the south-west after imposing an unfair war on Mexico, african-americans were used as slaves for centuries and even now, african-americans and other minorities are treated like 2nd class citizens. Face it!
And what about Vietnam? Cambodia? Laos? Korea?, Somalia? Afganistan? Iraq? Nicaragua? Honduras? Guatemala? El Salvador? Dominican Republic? Grenada? Haiti? Cuba? Should I continue?
Who fully supported the rogue fascist dictatorships around the world during the cold-war? Who helped to dethrone democratically elected governments just because they were "leftists"? Does Chile? Guatemala? Argentina? Brazil? Spain? rings you a bell?
EVERY modern nation have its share of crimes and unjust acts against either their own population or another countries. Lars is only pointing out to the fact that USA is not better than any other country in that regard. But when frenchs, spaniards, english, germans, russians, japanese, etc. Are all of them reflecting on the crimes commited by their countrymen in the past. USA citizens apparently still believes that they are the embodiment of ALL the good things on earth, that they are superior, chosen by God to guide the rest of the world, etc. Sorry to burst your bubble but you are NOT! You are like us, perhaps richer and better armed (one thing leads the other and vice versa), that's all. Open your eyes, you are not alone, the world existed long before you and will exist after you (unless you start a nuclear war with China or Russia). And the world will miss you as much as we miss the macedonians, romans, the napoleonic empire, the spanish empire, the mongols, etc. Your good deeds will be appreciated and your crimes remembered.
Try to left behind a better heritage to the mankind instead of continuous invasions to weaker countries in order to control their natural resources. Try it. I've met lots of US citizens and I know that most of you are good people. I still believe in you, IMO Lars as well, believe it or not. -
Howlin Wolf — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 09:10 AM)
People are entitled to comment on things, even if they're wrong That's the freedom of speech that you guys love.
You're free to comment on my culture all you want; I'm thick-skinned enough to take it The fact that you DON'T is your fault, not mine.
Films are an expression of ideas; they are not a definitive expression of culture but if one director puts out their 'idea' of that culture (even if they don't live there), then we are entitled to comment upon that That's a free exchange of ideas, instead of censorship of everything that falls outside of a certain proscribed narrative.
Who says he has 'gravity' or authority'?? I doubt even HE would say that; it's just a perspective, an opinion Take it or leave it, but don't say it can't be offered!
If people could only make movies about things they've experienced personally, then the choice available would be pretty boring!
Consider my argument:
I don't think Lars Von Trier hates America. his films are more about 'ideas' than equations where there's a definable answer at the end.
The fact is that America represents the most useful canvas that exists in the world right now to play these ethical quandaries out on because of both the vastness and variety reflected in its population and influence.
America is a wonderful melting pot of all different races and identities, and what it's supposed to represent offers us the chance to integrate and truly understand one another better. The flip-side against that is human nature and our tendency to exploit the vulnerabilities in one another for our own personal gain.
So the problem isn't 'the system', but how we as people work within that system. America is just singled out because it's perhaps the world's most prominent superpower. So, in a way, Americans should be proud that the U.S. is so visible that outsiders are constantly trying to comment on it or affect it! They see it as a model to implement progress everywhere else, because if America changes, then the rest of the world changes too
In other words, America is so diverse from one state to the next, that you can do lots of different creative things with its individual elements I see that as a GOOD thing!
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Zoomorph — 9 years ago(December 15, 2016 10:02 PM)
Dumbass, Lars is not criticizing America in this film. He's criticizing the SJW mentality that all races are equal. He's criticizing the concept of "freedom". He's criticizing love of democracy.
Around half of modern Americans are smart enough to hold similar criticisms. In the past, that number was much higher. Not all Americans are dumb, even if the majority are becoming dumb. And - here's the important thing - Europeans are in the exact same position. Criticizing modern liberal stupidity, a problem affecting the entire World world, is not criticizing America.
Finally, criticism isn't such a bad thing. Whether it's by foreigners or not. Instead of chimping out and chanting "MUH AMERICA!" maybe you should think about the validity of the perceived criticisms and try to form a rational response.
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Zoomorph — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 01:37 AM)
Maybe? It is a white person "saving" the blacks from other white people. Either way, SJWs criticize it for the opposite reasons. For them white people are bad/guilty/evil, and they are too sheepish to interfere with anyone else. American foreign policy has been made weak, ineffectual and comical by this sheepishness and degeneracy which is why we have to pretend we're invading other countries to "save" people rather than openly declare our selfish motives. This movie shows that racial inequality can be a good thing - the opposite of the SJW position - and the lead character that it ridicules throughout is practically a stereotypical SJW.
~ Observe, and act with clarity. ~