Political Agenda
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Manderlay
antinichard — 19 years ago(August 11, 2006 09:07 PM)
Didn't anyone think this film in a way was more (maybe not more but at least strongly echoed) what Americans are currently doing in Iraq. With Grace being the administration trying to free the people but really creating more tyranny. Wilhelm says it perfectly, "The guns shouldn't have left so early." To me that was what resonated in the film, not so much the issue of race relations in America.
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dollhouserobber-1 — 19 years ago(November 04, 2006 08:45 AM)
Thats exactly what I got. Its really obvious actually.
People are having trouble seeing over the black vs. white characters of the film, when in reality, the film is not about race.
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rasajike — 19 years ago(November 19, 2006 10:15 AM)
Why can't the film be an examination of all of the above?
On one layer it could be about race/US history, on another about war/colonialism, on another about Capitalism, and so forth.
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Oskiros-Arg — 19 years ago(November 20, 2006 12:53 PM)
I think that this is not have directly relatinship with Iraq, but
For example when Grace give the democracy and the freedom, she has in her back BIG GUNS..!!! , and she dont know if the black people need this or at lest they have the same feeling that her about this new life.
Mr. Bush is doing exaclty the same, and. with similar consecuences
But I repet, I think that this is not the directors intention.
Oscar from Rosario-Argentina -
matscott — 19 years ago(December 05, 2006 08:47 PM)
I think locating Grace as America in reference to Iraq may be a bit of an over read. Firstly, because it assumes that Von Trier, believes American neo-imperialism in Iraq has an altrueistic goal. Now, I'm not in his head, but I think a man as involved in Dogme95 as Von Trier, which rejected American cultural imperialism, in film atleast, doesn't view the Iraq war as well meaning.
Also, the film is largely about subjugation. 'we' created 'them'. I can only imagine what being under centuries of oppression does to the psyche of a person. Perhaps, more generally, the film may be about colonialism as a broad stroke. Ohh and don't view people through a homogenizing lense; its absurd, I'm glad Von Trier makes this point.
I hope Glenn Beck reads this, it would be helpful.
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rasajike — 19 years ago(December 22, 2006 02:51 PM)
also, not every piece of art is created from the perspective of the artist, and one's interpretation of this film mustn't necessarily take into account vontrier's personal views.
Extremely well stated. I agree completely.
i don't think anyone has been through centuries of oppression since the old testament.
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elisabethskoven — 9 years ago(August 07, 2016 12:15 PM)
I think he has said that he believes President Bush was sincere in his belief that he was helping Iraq. ("You can say much about Bush but don't you think he believes in what he is doing?")
Neoconservatives often are incredibly sincere -it's a beliefsystem.