What Anthony Bourdain thinks of Bill
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lazarillo — 9 years ago(January 17, 2017 09:54 AM)
Anthony Bourdain is kind of a douchebag himselfbut he's not wrong. Take Maher's opinion on Muslims. How many Muslim countries and he ever visited or lived in? How many Muslims does he even know, except for a few hot Muslim women he's invited on his show? He bases his opinions on flawed third-world POLLING and from a very selective reading of history. History doesn't really "prove" anything, but it doesn't even offer clear evidence that any group of people is any more evil or violent than any otherMuslim, Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, and atheist countries ALL have a lot of blood on their hands, historically speaking.
Even today sub-Saharan Africa is even more screwed up than most of the Islamic world. Latin America is often more dangerous for the average person walking around. I know that because I've BEEN to these places. I don't just sit around reading questionable polls about all the Muslims who supposedly hate me and want to kill me. Whatever his personal flaws, Bourdain does not live in the kind of bubble Maher does, but that has nothing to do with being liberal or conservative. It is a fault IN ITSELF, kind of like being uneducated or stupid. It reminds of one of my favorite quotes, "there is none as blind as thos who WILL NOT see."
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evanmang87 — 9 years ago(January 21, 2017 01:10 AM)
I think it's less of an attack on Islam than an attack on the double standards liberals in the West have. American liberals hype what a menace the Christian right-wing is in the US and seem to sincerely believe there's a possibility we will have mandated prayer in public schools and Creationism taught in classrooms (even though the majority of practicing Christians reject Creationism) yet become cultural relativists about extremely conservative beliefs practiced by a great deal of Muslims even when they settle in Western countries and expect those societies to respect some of their views that clash with our ideals.
Sam Harris pointed out that there is no possible way a parody of Islam could be a hit play like "The Book of Mormon" and that the reaction of Muslims would be quite different than how Mormons reacted. And we know this is a fact because look at Theo Van Gogh, Charlie Hebdo etc. And then there's also the "soft bigotry of low expectations." People will say things like, "well I don't approve of what happened with Charlie Hebdo, they should have never printed those cartoons. They must have known what would happen" and "When you criticize or mock Islam, all you are doing is driving moderate Muslims to become radicals and terrorists."
History doesn't really "prove" anything, but it doesn't even offer clear evidence that any group of people is any more evil or violent than any other
But if you're being honest, there is no other religion that has as many of its adherents becoming radicalized and engaging in terrorism across the world on the scale of Islam in this era. Therein lies my problem (and Maher has mentioned this as well) with the dishonesty of some liberals. A few left-wing acquaintances of mine have claimed that Christians still commit the most terrorist attacks in the world TODAY but the media focuses on Islamic terrorist attacks. When I ask them to produce the statistics and sources of this information, they never bother to provide it. -
WhoToTrust — 9 years ago(January 21, 2017 10:49 AM)
by evanmang87 >> A few left-wing acquaintances of mine have claimed that Christians still commit the most terrorist attacks in the world TODAY but the media focuses on Islamic terrorist attacks. When I ask them to produce the statistics and sources of this information, they never bother to provide it.
I'd say that any time a US leader has evoked GOD (obviously meaning the Christian God of this country) as justification for military action in another part of the world would qualify.
And just because US Christian citizens don't view themselves as terrorists in those instances doesn't mean people in other parts of the world wouldn't or couldn't legitimately view it as an attack on THEIR God from their point of view.
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warm-523-122941 — 9 years ago(January 22, 2017 11:18 AM)
Maher puts a face on the Democratic Party that turns off a lot of people snarky, bitter, an old white man who hates old white men, a women hater who never married, a religious bigot, a Hollywood elite who sneers at everyday Americans.
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jcwalker7 — 9 years ago(January 22, 2017 06:32 PM)
A lot of generalizations there. As I said, he's a comedian who goes after everyone from time to time. He's supposed to be snarky. Just because he makes fun of the likes of Trump, Pat Robertson and Donald Sterling doesn't mean he "hates" old white men. I've never gotten the impression that he "hates" women either. He's had feminists on his show before, and it's very rare for him not to have at least one female guest on his show every week. You meant that he's an anti-religious bigot, which is mostly true, but he's no more extreme than those on the other side of the spectrum.
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evanmang87 — 9 years ago(January 24, 2017 02:17 PM)
You meant that he's an anti-religious bigot, which is mostly true, but he's no more extreme than those on the other side of the spectrum.
I disagree. He, along with atheists like Dawkins, Harris, the late Hitchens etc., may mock and encourage rejection of religion but none of them have ever advocated for banning religious texts altogether (Dawkins has even written about The King James Bible as one of the greatest literary works and no one could effectively deny Christianity's influence and shaping of Western art, literature, music, architecture, culture etc. over the past 2,000 years and Harris listed The Koran among books everyone should read) or called for a communist-style eradication of religion and the right of people to practice what they believe.
Meanwhile, the other side of the spectrum, be they Christians or Muslims, want the rest of society to fall in line with their views. They actively seek to stifle any information that conflicts with their beliefs. The more extreme members will even resort to violence and terrorism. So there is a difference. -
jcwalker7 — 9 years ago(January 24, 2017 05:50 PM)
You bring up a lot of good points. As an atheist myself, I agree with Bill on almost every aspect of religion. I guess I just meant that people can perceive him to be pretty extreme in his anti-religious platform. I personally think he's right where he needs to be.
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kjperes13 — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 05:11 PM)
Bourdain also says "absolutely fcking not" to dining with Trump, because he says Trump doesn't like food, eats steak well-done, talks about nothing but himself, and could barely hold chopsticks with those "tiny little nubbins."
http://rare.us/story/anthony-bourdain-burns-trump-again-and-this-time-its-about-his-tiny-little-nubbins/ -
fletcbk — 9 years ago(February 04, 2017 11:10 PM)
Come onthis is like when Bill Burr criticized Bill for being "unlikable" and it was equally ridiculous. Burr and Bourdain hate Bill because they went on his show, didn't have a lot to say, were upstaged at every turn by the more educated panel, and then had to make it look like it was anything other than showbiz jealousy. Bourdain in particular probably hated it that he wasn't fawned over as interesting.
From what I can tell Bourdain pretty much hates everyonefew people have taken shots at Paula Dean, Guy Fieri, AND Bill Maherexcept for third-world props he can't communicate with beyond smiles. He's one of those guys that likes soaking up "cultures" but it's just a way to never really let anyone get close to him since by nature he'll never really know those people beyond basic pleasantries, and then it's off to the next meal wherever.
"He's a classic example of the smirking, contemptuous, privileged guy who lives in a bubble. And he is in no way looking to reach outside, or even look outside, of that bubble, in an empathetic way."
You mean like saying a Chicken McNugget was the worst meal of your life? Honestly, Bourdain and Maher are probably more similar than they are different, but I like Bill waaay more because the stuff he is snobby about actually matters, unlike Bourdain cultivating a mushroom from a Hog rectum or some **** that only wealthy chefs think is important.