Please help me understand !?!?! (All Spoilers)
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bdollarb — 19 years ago(July 22, 2006 06:47 AM)
Horror films usually concentrate on thrills rather than plot. The script is often there to merely carry the viewer from one sequence to another, and to set the tone. Bar the occasional exceptions such as The Omen or The Exorcist. It seems asinine to worry about possible plotholes in a non-huge budget film actually called THE TOOLBOX MURDERS. What do you expect, from a film with that title? Usually, no genre fan ever buys or rents a film called The Toolbox Murders for a masterpiece of script writing. Why are you all so concerned about it? It'd be like watching Liz Taylor's Cleopatra merely to take a look at the snake. If I want everything explaining, I watch Hitchcock films, not slasher movies. Hope you all took time to notice the on-purpose camera wobble moments in this film anyway. This was a great homage to the fairly cheapish 70's horror films imo.
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bdollarb — 19 years ago(July 26, 2006 10:11 AM)
Probably for the same reasons that many other films in the horror genre, do exactly the same. Leaving things unexplained kinda adds to the mysterious allure of these films. The classic example certainly being Dario Argento's dream-like Inferno, sequel to the wonderful Suspiria. I think writers often prefer not to explain horror films too much, it's not an act of laziness, it's an act of choice. I like the way that these types films cause the viewer to think and decide for themselves. This isn't a negative aspect of these films, more a positive one. Coincidentally since I previously mentioned Suspiria & Inferno, The Toolbox Murders writers have co-written Dario Argento's sequel to both those films. I am very keen to see the results. btw this film did actually explain who the killer was.
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alejotsv — 19 years ago(October 04, 2006 12:55 PM)
I was reading this for 'round half an hour n I think those of you who r trying to answer some of the questions r doing so in defense of horror movies in general This movie IS full of plot holes, and it doesn't matter if horror movies are supposed to, but if you try to explain things like the symbols simply by saying "it's part of some vudu", man, you ran out of imagination. I've critisized this film a lot, but in this thread I found something I'd forgot the explanation on the killer's origin is really great, but, as someone said, not well developed
The thing is that if you think that a horror movie uses the plot just to take the audience from scene to scene, maybe we shouldn't call it a movie but a Blood Feria, and that way no one would expect it to be an actual movie, i.e. A FEATURE FILM THAT INCLUDES A PLOT, CHARACTERS AND A SEQUENCE.
Now about Chass, I really thought he was human, and a friend of the killer, it is not a crazy idea the thing is that it is apparently explained in the deleted scenes WHAT THE F how can you leave out one of the few explanation that you actually bothered to create.
The rocker I imagine that you realized I didn't like this movie a bit, but it's not fair to take it on the poor rocker, it's a piece of the murderer's life, like the one i'm sitting on right now, it's there for me to sit on
Is it too hard to understand that if we pay to watch a movie we expect it to make a little sense and to be kinda good??? you know, it's like paying for a service imagine that you go to Mc Fonalds and you end up eating a rat burger instead of an average burger (nothing extraordinary), would you accept the manager's explanation: 'well, this is Mc Fonalds, if you want a good burger go to Mc Donalds'? WOULD YOU? It's no excuse and I think, like many, many of you didn't know where to discharge all the crap you think about this movie and you ran into this thread
I'm open to a discussion if you think you can defend this movie try to
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evilshmee — 18 years ago(November 06, 2007 04:58 AM)
"Films can, and do, explain things to the intelligent audience."
You're right that they can and do, as you say, but I'm of the opinion that an intelligent audience doesn't always need everything handed to them on a plate. In fact I personally prefer a lot of them not to, in particular horror films, as I like working things out for myself and discussing other people's opinions on what actually happened or what things could mean. (Nicolas Roeg is great for this!) I have to admit though, I think I've only ever seen the second half of this film and I wasn't asking half of the questions that others seem to be on here, in particular the rocking chair and Nell knocking on the symbols to check if they were hollow. (I thought that was pretty self-explanatory.)
Whether people understood everything or not, I understand that people may not get things and would want to discuss them (that is what a discusson board is for after all) but of course there's no need to be rude to anyone.
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haileris-2 — 18 years ago(November 26, 2007 05:05 PM)
I have to say that I also felt that too many questions were left unanswered, e.g. the teeth in the wall. They really shot a stupid scene ("Now let me ram the desk into the wall!") to make a mysterious discovery that will be explained with "must be some kind of voodoo" a minute later and that's it. They should have cut that out.
Like the call that Luisa makes before she is killed: "Um, hello, my doorknob is broken!" - "Okay, I'm on my way." - "No, not necessary, I think, I can fix it myself. I'll call again when I need help." WTF? If I encounter a problem that I can fix on my own, I don't call people in the middle of the night telling them that I don't need their help. I know, she had to cross the room (to the phone) so she can be seen being killed in front of the webcam, but please
And I also didn't like the pacing. Did we really have to see her knocking on every wall on every floor? This was kind of boring, especially after seeing her freaking completely out because the girl she met the day before didn't show up for the morning run.
But well, I gotta stop here, because this was supposed to be about the unanswered questions only (like, why did she write all the sympols on her arm?). But there were so many other flaws in the movie, I was totally shocked when the credits started to roll (finally) and the name of Tobe Hooper showed up. I wasn't aware that he directed this, and it makes me sad
Next time I want to see a good plot, Tobe! Else you can team up with Uwe Boll for your next project.
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