What did Alfred/Ducard mean when they said…
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Batman Begins
flowerchild-15037 — 9 years ago(January 17, 2017 09:34 PM)
"It was your father's fault" in regards to Bruce's parent's deaths?
How exactly was it his fault? I understand they don't want Bruce to keep feeling guilty about it, but I don't think his father should be blamed. No one should be blamed except the robber. It's not like his father could've completely controlled the situation. -
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Movie_Buff_Brad — 9 years ago(January 18, 2017 04:52 PM)
Alfred isn't a giant prick, so I don't think he'd be telling Bruce that his father got himself killed the day of the funeral. I concur with the other poster that he was talking about Chill. As for Ducard, he's an extremist who thinks Thomas was a misguided idealist. Look at any murder and whatnot and there's always a right winger blaming the victim for not having a weapon.
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flowerchild-15037 — 9 years ago(January 19, 2017 11:05 AM)
Alfred isn't a giant prick,
That's what was confusing about why he would say it's his father's fault. I didn't peg Alfred to ever say such a thing. But if he really was referring to Chill, then that makes sense. -
skeletornumber70 — 9 years ago(January 19, 2017 02:09 PM)
This is actually helps show an example how Bruce gained his moral code, by the responses his two surrogate father figures provide to his guilt. Alfred assures Bruce it was not his fault, regardless of the circumstances that led them to the ally the coward committing the random act of violence was the only one who caused or could have prevented the tragedy. Ducard spins it to where Thomas was a coward for not having the will to protect himself and his family from this cowardly criminal, and insists injustice will harm everyone except those strong enough to prevent it. As Batman, bruce decides that like Ducard he must be strong and fight injustice, but like Alfred he realizes that the criminals alone make their decisions and prey on those weak enough to be broken, so he defends the people that Ducard essentially gave up on in the end.
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flowerchild-15037 — 9 years ago(January 19, 2017 11:08 AM)
I think maybe because Ducard said it was his father's fault, then I just automatically assumed Alfred was talking about his father as well. Probably my fault for assuming but they should've been more specific!
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