Sheldon (from Big Bang Theory) is a good example of someone with high intelligence who has trouble relating and interact
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oscar_ray2_jimenez — 10 years ago(April 24, 2015 12:48 AM)
Thank you sir/lady/human being for making the most reasonable, reasoned and useful remark in this whole thread without ever referencing your own hypotethically high IQ.
Everybody else, please, I beg you, take notice. That's how it's done. -
mcharis-1 — 11 years ago(November 28, 2014 08:16 PM)
yes, this is exactly how I see people todaythis movie will help me why I feel sometimes isolated and lonely. And I also decided it is time for me to have kids.
my brain hurts when I hear music today, sometimes when I see movies, and when I see movies from the 90s or 80s or even shows I see much higher intelligence than today.
most people don't like old movies or old super hero movies because of the bad effects compared to today, but the story lines and acting is out of this world.
And this is also why I don't like porn..I truly hope I will find this rare man who is not into porn but erotic movies. We need to populate! -
KorbenDallas-Multipass — 11 years ago(December 04, 2014 02:22 PM)
My IQ is 160. Fortunately I work in I.T. where most people have a clue. Dealing with average or below-average IQ people can be a difficult thing sometimes, but over the years I've figured out how to do it without coming across all holier-than-thou. I've also learned to get a quick read on someone's intelligence level and adjust my conversation accordingly; I'm not discussing quantum mechanics with the cashier at McD's (unless of course she brings it up - she may just be starting out; heck, I used to work in a warehouse.) It's not coincidence that my most enlightening conversations are with my immediate family, who all have IQs of at least 145. My father and brother are brilliant physicians, my sister a NASA engineer, and my mother a teacher/lawyer/mediator/administrator.
With regards to culture, it is dumbing down at an alarming pace. There is the occasional glimmer of hope, like the past year when Neil deGrasse Tyson's "Cosmos" show gained popularity. But then I watch "Cops," or the local news, and I'm saddened again. -
emvan — 11 years ago(December 15, 2014 02:05 AM)
Lack of intelligence in the IQ sense is neither our big social problem, nor the thing that I sometimes find frustrating when dealing with others (especially online!). It's lack of open-mindedness and cognitive flexibility. There are many fairly intelligent people who are basically unable to incorporate new facts that conflict with their views, once they have settled on them. They could understand a reasonably subtle argument on a topic they knew nothing about, and hence had no strong pre-existing feelings about. But try a comparable argument as a rebuttal to some set of ideas they've already settled on, and it's like talking to a wall. Suddenly, they're functional idiots; they're incapable of using the intelligence that they do possess in order to reason to a proper conclusion.
To cite an example that I hope will not be political dynamite, there are a lot of people who were taught that being gay is a choice. Here's a conversation you can try on them (I'm stealing this from some TV show):
Q: When did you choose to be straight?
A: [Some form of acknowledging they didn't.]
Q: Why would anyone choose to be gay, given all the downside involved? Since you didn't choose to be straight, doesn't that suggest that gay people didn't choose to be gay, since it has far more drawbacks than benefits (if any)?
People's ability to respond to this argument varies widely, and does not seem to be correlated more than mildly (if at all) to intelligence. You can even find people who are perfectly capable of understanding all the biological evidence that sexual orientation is not a choice, and actually have them understand all the evidence, and their response is to essentially reject or deny it and maintain their belief that it is.
What's particularly worrisome and frustrating about this trait is that it's apparently immune to self-reflection. You can tell people that they are not engaging with your argument and not even responding to the points you are making, let alone effectively rebutting them, and they will respond by repeating their initial "argument" (opinion, statement of incorrect facts, or parroting of something they heard on the radio or saw on TV), often for the fourth or fifth consecutive time. (I think we've all seen this on these message boards!)
When Congress becomes effectively controlled by such people, you get a country in deep trouble.
Prepare your minds for a new scale of physical, scientific values, gentlemen. -
werecow2003 — 10 years ago(April 30, 2015 02:56 PM)
What bothers me personally is not that people are not always particularly bright, but that even highly intelligent people are often terrible at critical thinking. And they often have little to no knowledge of science (unless they actually happen to be scientists themselves), yet they somehow think they know everything.
I think this world would be a far, far better place if we taught everyone critical thinking and scientific skepticism from a young age. Critical thinking is a skill that has to be honed, and you don't need to be exceptionally intelligent to have a good BS detector. However, people who are generally intelligent but who have not spent time honing that skill set tend to think that they cannot be fooled, and that they do not deceive themselves as others do.
In fact, the opposite is true; smart people tend to be more imaginative, and more capable of performing acts of mental contortion. As such, they tend to be better at defending any intellectual position they happen to be invested in, even if that position happens to be the wrong one.
And on top of that, there's also the aforementioned Dunning-Kruger effect; laymen are less capable of recognizing how little they know about a subject (because they don't know how much they don't know), so they very confidently vastly overestimate themselves. Meanwhile, highly knowledgeable people are aware of all the uncertainties and subtleties in their field of knowledge (they know how much they don't know), and therefore underestimate themselves and display less confidence.
Anyway, those kinds of things lead to much more stupidity in the world than just having a low IQ. -
a-hasver — 10 years ago(June 21, 2015 01:26 PM)
well. i would say no, even though my iq is only in the 135 - 140 region. i believe that it is much more dependent on the arrogance and/or ignorance of the bearer, rather than iq itself. also, i would assume that there is a higher percentage of average people who THINK they see the world like this (everyone else is an idiot and does idiotic things), than there is among really bright people - who, more often than not, do realize that world is a complex place and even them don't have a reliable solution for most of current challenges
but than again - it goes back to the nature of a person, arrogant person would think they have a solution and everyone else is an idiot. and usually would push his solution forward, regardless of smarter people that might be in his way
i at least try to avoid quick judgments and opinions of the people i know to be stupid. on the other hand i still know that i am no genius myself (and frankly, almost no one is - i have never met a person profoundly smarter or more intelligent than me, except for brian greene, the 1 % that we both share, he on the top shelf, me on the lower one, is really slim and theoretical also)
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phyre_Iyz — 10 years ago(July 21, 2015 08:04 PM)
I've never taken an IQ test but I continually scored high in state exams that measured proficiency compared to age/grade. In 5th grade I was reading and comprehending at a college level. My math, in comparison, was never on par. I am also (self-diagnosed) dyslexic. I know that there are people with less intelligence than me, as well as many who are vastly more intelligent than myself.
With that in mind, I'm sure I seem idiotic to those who are smarter than me, as those who aren't as smart as me seem idiotic. I think this movie is more symptomatic of the level of education declining, not the lack of intellectual ability of the masses. We are culturally dumbed down, allowing ourselves to believe things because it's just easier than questioning and reasoning and understanding.
It is cliche, but our need for instant gratification is making us less educated, less intelligent, and less intellectual as a whole. You can blame industrialization and the loss of connection to the land, but that's a conversation for another place.
Make sure that your children readeverything. from the "stupidest" beep to Samuel Clemens. Turn off the tube and electronics and connect. That's one step away from Idiocracy.
Please ignore any misspellings and grammatical errors as I am typing this on my phone. Thanks
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ghbbrown-1 — 9 years ago(July 28, 2016 08:51 AM)
You describe what was pretty much my experience, except that I HAVE been scored on IQ tests. I've learned that the scores are not particularly useful to me. My self=description is that I'm intelligent by some measures but not particularly bright in terms of social adaptations and navigating common life.
Fortunately, I learned to make use of my abilities in tandem with intuition and curiosity and have lived a reasonably productive and good life. My personal definition of that is out of step with the standards promoted by those with an interest in fostering a consumerist set of values. I am disappointed with people/s behavior that seems to be moving in the direction of what's presented in the movie but that's not the result of knowing the artificial standard of measurement that hasn't defined who I am. -
pdxjames — 10 years ago(October 18, 2015 08:03 PM)
The Average IQ score in the USA has fallen 1.5 points per year for 20 years. "Normal" was once 100. The average score is now 88, what we used to call "bumbling idiot". In ten years, average will be "drooling mendicant". A population without the ability to use common sense or invoke critical thinking. We are doomed.
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yezziqa — 10 years ago(November 23, 2015 01:32 AM)
In ways, yes we do. But the keyword is people, in the sense of it being a large group of people, not the individuals. I do not look down upon or condescend people of lower scores than my own, we are just different in some perspectives. But I fear the lack of intelligence from humankind, it will be the end of us.