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Platonic_Caveman — 6 years ago(May 04, 2019 01:51 AM)
Yeah, it was a nice soap opera. And it did present a positive gay image and blasted stereotypes. But it never should have been nominated for best picture.
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Platonic_Caveman — 6 years ago(May 04, 2019 04:26 AM)
I really don't think Hollywood and television have changed that much. Look at Will & Grace. If those two ******* are not prancing stereotypes neither are the two mincers in that clip.
It shows a certain side to the gay lifestyle (and yes I consider 'gay' to be a lifestyle). The problem is they never show the rest of us normal guys who don't traipse around and scream.
So yeah, in that respect Brokeback was important.
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geewizzz — 6 years ago(May 04, 2019 04:56 AM)
I've never seen
Will & Grace
, but yea, I know how the stereotypes that are often used in the media.
In 70s films, it was either a joke if guys were gay or the attitudes were derogatory.
It seemed like there were attempts to depict homosexuality in more realistic ways in the early 80s.
Cruising
had stereotypes too, but it was the leather bar stereotype…and that film got a lot of backlash.
The one that comes to mind is,
Making Love
, which is very much like a soap opera for the big screen.
Then big studios didn't want to touch much on the subject since those films weren't making much money…so that subject drifted into TV movies, cable shows and Indie films for the most part
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Platonic_Caveman — 6 years ago(May 04, 2019 05:42 AM)
Will & Grace has two main gay characters. One is an unabashed effeminate queen. They're not even trying to hide that he's a stereotype. He's a throwaway to real swishes who watch the show. The character Will is more masculine and I think they think (the producers) that he is not a demeaning stereotype. But in actuality from my view point, he most certainly is - shallow, obsessed with the good life (nice clothes, nice things), and snide and pretentious.
I've never seen the 80's Kate Jackson film, but I'll assume it was "made for tv". It looks like an honest attempt to show real gay men in a positive light.
When I admitted years ago on IMDb that I'm not out at work, I got the usual backlash from the message board basement dwellers that I was a hypocrite. This goes to the fact that real life in the 21st century still involves a professional closet for most gay men and lesbians. Yes, there is a minority who are out. But we still face a backlash, being passed over for promotion, not being respected as supervisors, being the subject of snide jokes behind our backs.
I hate this show:
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geewizzz — 6 years ago(May 04, 2019 06:04 AM)
That's what I hated about American Idol - they would often have a gay stereotype that they'd make into the butt joke of the show…or it was someone over the top such as Clay Aiken or Adam Lambert, who are very much the stereotype that they'd overpraise.
That's something I'd get into debates about with Belize on the AI board on IMDb - she'd tell me that gays were all freaks, and if you didn't celebrate your inner freak, you were an Uncle Tom and were self-hating…lol
I tried to convince her that gay dudes are more like Kris Allen…the boring
Christen
singer and that's what more gay dudes would be attracted to, and she tried to claim anyone voting for him was a homophobe.
Then she argued with me that I wasn't gay…and she copy/pasted my posts and ran them thru some app that said I wrote like a female, and she kept insisting I wasn't really a guy…lol
I told her she was the biggest homophobe I ever encountered.
As for the film,
Making Love
, yea it was an R-rated movie that played in theaters.
The sex scenes are very tame though…most R-rated because of a couple F-words in there.
But very much like a made for TV movie.
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Platonic_Caveman — 6 years ago(May 04, 2019 07:10 AM)
There's the rumor that Ryan Seacrest is gay as well. You know I live in LA. I can safely say the majority of male actors are queer. Theatrics is a profession which attracts gay males. They just marry women for cover for PR. Leading males depend on an adoring female audience. It's all about business.
I had the opposite problem on IMDb. Because I opposed gay marriage and talked about homosexual superiority, not victimhood, they would say I was a straight male troll.
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geewizzz — 6 years ago(May 04, 2019 07:59 AM)
Yea, Ryan was always getting called gay…Simon Cowell was always kidding around with the gay jabs at him on the show. Many would say he's metrosexual…lol
Chelsea Handler threw in the Ryan being gay joke when interviewing Adam Lambert and Adam started laughing real hard.
The thing about gay marriage was another thing I debated with Belize…I didn't say I opposed it, but I said I wasn't fighting for it either. I didn't see it being a big deal, and probably most gay guys don't want to commit to a relationship for life anyway.
Then Belize sort of came to an agreement with me, after a good while of back and fourth banter, which was rare for her to agree with me on anything…in that she admitted she didn't really support marriage for heterosexuals either.
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Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(January 19, 2021 03:10 AM)
If one has a same sex partner, it affects your life in every way and makes your life very different than that of a heterosexual. For a man, life without a woman is very different. For starters, no children.
I like to look at it like this: Homosexual is just sex. "Gay" is a whole social construct built up around homosexuality.
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Oliver_Sudden — 5 years ago(January 28, 2021 12:23 AM)
If one has a same sex partner, it affects your life in every way and makes your life very different than that of a heterosexual. For a man, life without a woman is very different.
Personally, I find this to be an exaggerated statement. Yes, a homosexual relationship is different than a heterosexual relationship…but they're not galaxies apart. The union between the two partners - homosexual and heterosexual - is defined by the love, the support and the commitment they have for each other. Both can share that equally.
For starters, no children.
Having children is not a requirement in a heterosexual relationship/marriage and simply
not
wanting them is a right that any couple has.
Adoption, however, is always an option for those who can't procreate.
I like to look at it like this: Homosexual is just sex. "Gay" is a whole social construct built up around homosexuality.
Okay. I see what you're saying. Personally, I see it as this: Homosexual is the attraction/sex. "Gay" is just a modern-day synonym,
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Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(January 28, 2021 06:34 AM)
I get your point. But it's still very different. And the biggest difference is that there will always be a gender disconnect between men and women. We males can never completely understand what it's like to be female. In a homosexual relationship, you're both guys and that gives that you a better understanding of each other, both physically and emotionally.
As for children, straight people know that children can be the outcome of their sexual relationship. And I've checked the stats. About 95% of married heterosexuals have biological children together. That's just isn't a factor with gay people.
Sure anyone can adopt. But most straights don't need to. And most gays don't want children.
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Oliver_Sudden — 5 years ago(January 18, 2021 10:28 PM)
Neither, it's a gay flick, and a pretty gross one.
Seriously? There was one sex scene between the two.
One
. The rest of it isn't anything that one wouldn't expect in a movie like this. My advice: pick a different genre if you're easily offended.
Schrodinger's Cat walks into a bar, and doesn't. 