Paranoid leftist film that highlights leftist ignorance
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BakedEel — 12 years ago(January 31, 2014 05:06 PM)
The average person wouldn't even have heard of Antonio Gramsci, or know anything about him, and you clearly don't know much about the average person. You're right that conservatives are often ignorant or blind, though.
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BakedEel — 12 years ago(February 07, 2014 09:33 AM)
Wrong on the first point, and on all three examples (maybe less so the second and third ones, particularly if the individual was from England or from France, respectively). Also further evidence both that you don't understand the meaning of the original comic, and that you don't understand the average person, as paranoid rightwing cynics typically do not.
"Everybody is special. Everybody. Everybody is a hero, a lover, a fool, a villain, everybody. Everybody has their story to tell"
V.
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BakedEel — 12 years ago(February 08, 2014 01:42 AM)
lol, well that's due to pop-culture. I hate that too, but that's got nothing to do with leftwing politics, it's about money, because crap sells. If you have a problem with this film, it's with the American makers and writers of it, not with anything in the UK.
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delriosong — 9 years ago(November 27, 2016 02:59 PM)
lol, well that's due to pop-culture. I hate that too,
Using a social media discussion of a film and a graphic novel is such a great forum for you to express you disdain of pop culture.
I've lived upon the edge of chance for 20 years or more
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!!!deleted!!! (40461903) — 12 years ago(February 01, 2014 10:38 PM)
I too hated this movie for all of the reasons you've listed.
I must add, though, that I found that whole "isn't the Koran a lovely book" scene to be particularly repugnant. That's absolutely typical of the Left in Europe - endlessly criticising Christianity and conservatism in the West, while constantly fawning over Islam and "moderate" Muslims (which is usually anyone who is slightly less extreme than the late Osama bin Laden). -
detroit-velvet-smooth — 9 years ago(November 30, 2016 08:53 AM)
How has it been going in Christian society until the most recent generation or two?
Christianity, the two thousand year old culture that gets to take the high ground because it reformed some of its cultural taboos and prejudices in the last few decades. -
!!!deleted!!! (40461903) — 9 years ago(November 30, 2016 02:03 PM)
Yes, it does indeed get to "take the high ground", because it HAS the high ground. Compare that to even the more "moderate" Islamic countries like Iran or Indonesia, where homosexuality is punishable by public flogging (Indonesia), or even hanging (Iran).
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detroit-velvet-smooth — 9 years ago(November 30, 2016 02:57 PM)
You mean moderate Islamic societies that were driven into the hands of the extreme religious bands because of the destabilization of their democracies because the white Christians with the moral high ground felt like them running their economies for their own interests was grounds to topple them in favour of a secular dictator?
Kick people around and they run to the extremists. It happens every time. Its why communist revolution was so popular in Central America - the American backed regimes were just that awful that living under Communist rule was preferable.
Meanwhile civilized British society still censors everything, and chemically castrated its war hero math genius. I presume you've seen the bio pic starring Benedict Cabbage Patch.
Meanwhile in the states a huge list of state governments are doing everything in their power to reverse many of these moral high ground changes because their religious right wing base is potent enough that you can get ahead politically promising that idiotic nonsense. The best part is that 50+ years ago when America hated the Catholics politically it was because they feared they had no respect for the firm separation of church and state. The dogma was that Catholics answered to the Pope and were traitors at heart. Now those same people are extremely opposed to the notion of Separation of Church and State so if anything the shining beacon of moral superiority, the US of A, is regressing in its religious progress towards reason and balance in secular society.
Incidentally even a country like Iran has better paternity leave protections for women than in America.
Its amazing what these savage muslim lands are like. Better female medicine covered by the state in Iran, better access to doctors and education in oppressive Cuba. The moral high ground is treacherous as it often falls away unexpectedly from your feet and suddenly you're looking up at the most unlikely of characters, ones you were promised were beneath you. -
EricCartmanBrah — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 12:10 PM)
It wasn't good up until the last few generations, but it has never, EVER been as bad as it is in muslim countries to this day! While western countries are progressing there, Islamic countries are only regressing more and more.
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phantomF-12 — 12 years ago(February 04, 2014 08:46 AM)
So, if this is leftist - are you trying to say that the conservatives wants an all controlling government like in the film?
Oh, and just to say, the Gay dude he didn't actually revere the Quran, he only liked it from it's artistic point of view. As arab caligraphy is considered beautiful and artistic by quite a few people on the planet.
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BobFlame — 12 years ago(February 14, 2014 11:42 AM)
Depends which version of Fascism you
re talking.Mussolinis atheistic Fascism was against pretty much all religions.However,Hitler`s Nazism was definitely pro-Christian:
"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.."
"So long as they concern themselves with their religious problems the State does not concern itself with them. But so soon as they attempt by any means whatsoever by letters, Encyclica, or otherwise to arrogate to themselves rights which belong to the State alone we shall force them back into their proper spiritual, pastoral activity."
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered in Berlin on the May Day festival, 1937 [Baynes]
"Amongst the accusations which are directed against Germany in the so called democracies is the charge that the National Socialist State is hostile to religion. In answer to that charge I should like to make before the German people the following solemn declaration:- No one in Germany has in the past been persecuted because of his religious views (Einstellung), nor will anyone in the future be so persecuted.
The Churches are the greatest landed proprietors after the State Further, the Church in the National Socialist State is in many ways favoured in regard to taxation, and for gifts, legacies, &c., it enjoys immunity from taxation.
It is therefore, to put mildly effrontery when especially foreign politicians make bold to speak of hostility to religion in the Third Reich.
I would allow myself only one question: what contributions during the same period have France, England, or the United States made through the State from the public funds? - The National Socialist State has not closed a church, nor has it prevented the holding of a religious service, nor has it ever exercised any influence upon the form of a religious service. It has not exercised any pressure upon the doctrine nor on the profession of faith of any of the Confessions. In the National Socialist State anyone is free to seek his blessedness after his own fashion.
There are ten thousands and ten thousands of priests of all the Christian Confessions who perform their ecclesiastical duties just as well as or probably better than the political agitators without ever coming into conflict with the laws of the State.
This State has only once intervened in the internal regulation of the Churches, that is when I myself in 1933 endeavoured to unite the weak and divided Protestant Churches of the different States into one great and powerful Evangelical Church of the Reich. That attempt failed through the opposition of the bishops of some States; it was therefore abandoned. For it is in the last resort not our task to defend or even to strengthen the Evangelical Church through violence against its own representatives.
But on one point it is well that there should be no uncertainty: the German priest as servant of God we shall protect, the priest as political enemy of the German State we shall destroy."
-Adolf Hitler, a speech in the Reichstag on 30 Jan. 1939 [Baynes
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"I am absolutely convinced of the great power and the deep significance of the Christian religion, and consequently will not permit any other founders of religion (Religionsstifter). Therefore I have turned against Ludendoriff and separated myself from him; therefore I reject Rosenberg's book. That book is written by a Protestant. It is not a party book. It is not written by him as a member of the party. The Protestants can settle matters with him.
My desire is that no confessional conflict arise. I must act correctly to both confessions. I will not tolerate a Kulturkampf. I stand by my word. I will protect the rights and freedom of the church and will not permit them to be touched. You need have no apprehensions concerning the freedom of the church."
-Hitler [quoted from Helmreich, p.241]
"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith. from our point of view as representatives of the state, we need believing people. A dark cloud threatens from Poland. We have need of soldiers, believing solders. Believing solders are the most valuable ones. They give their all. Therefore we will maintain the confessional schools in order to train believing people through the schools, but this depends upon having truly believing teachers, not by chance Marxists who do not stand fully by their religious faith, as teachers."
-Hitler, [quoted from Helmreich, p.241]
"Without doubt the chancellor lives in faith in God. He recognizes Christianity as the foundation of Western culture."
-Cardinal Faulhaber [quoted from Helmreich, p.279]
"Except the Lord built the house they labour in vain. The truth of that text was proved if one looks at the house of which the foundations wer
- No one in Germany has in the past been persecuted because of his religious views (Einstellung), nor will anyone in the future be so persecuted.
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gillesxpsg — 12 years ago(February 15, 2014 04:18 AM)
It's called paying lip service, politicians do it all the time. Christianity was extremely strong in Germany at this time and since Hitler chose to democratically to climb to power he could not be openly anti christianity. I doubt he was much interested in religion himself though he did admire Islam. The Nazi state persecuted Christian organisations, some christians were sent to concentration camps others purged, the Nazis practised an anti christian policy of forced Euthanasia, concentration camps, disturbing reharking of pre christian paganism and so on. Hitler was a weak dictator and so he had to handle the churches carefully, he tried to bind the churches to his will under a Reich church, but he failed. He banned the scout movement in order that his Youth movement could succeed. don't lap up Nazi propaganda, you wouldn't accept it concerning anything else why accept it in regArds to Christianity?
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yusef-ghanima — 12 years ago(March 14, 2014 05:25 AM)
you are carzy to think that there is difference between right and left and that they are not both controlled by the same secret societies, both bush and kerry were in the same skull and bones freemasonic club.