Why I donu00b4t think the ending makes sense
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andyg_1992 — 9 years ago(August 22, 2016 08:59 AM)
As I inferred, and as you said others had said, Ava thought of Caleb as a threat to her being exposed as an AI in the outside world. Surely, upon stumbling across the biggest discover in human history, Caleb would have blabbed about it to friends and colleagues and she would have eventually been exposed as an AI and would spend the rest of her life like an animal in a zoo or in a laboratory being tested on. Without him, nobody would ever know she isn't real and she can live a life like every other real person.
I do agree that someone would eventually come looking for Caleb and she could potentially then be exposed as he knows what she looks like, but I think the ending was more symbolic of her intelligence in manipulating humans and planning for the future, understanding that Caleb could have exposed her as an AI. For me, that is the end of the film. The chance that he could eventually escape because of one thing or another and expose her is irrelevant, in my opinion. -
andyg_1992 — 9 years ago(August 25, 2016 01:36 AM)
Yeah, in reality, that probably would make most sense. Didn't even think about that.
But I think the end was more symbolic. As in, throughout the film, Ava is kept behind a glass wall and is the subject of a test conducted by Caleb. In the end, when she escapes, it is the person doing the test, Caleb, that is the one trapped behind the glass wall, suggesting maybe that he was the subject of Ava's test all along.
Also, as one of the trivia points out, 'Ava Session 7' appears on screen even though Caleb isn't conducting a test on her and Nathan is already dead. Ava was the one conducting a test throughout the film. -
newbiesan — 9 years ago(September 05, 2016 04:56 AM)
Who will come looking for him?
1)Nobody goes near the house.
2)He has no family, and no girlfriend.
3)Because eh can't get out, he will die.
Further I don't think she imprisoned him, he did it to himself. He reprogrammed the code for lockign Natan in, but now he is locked in. -
Backlot_Manager — 9 years ago(November 03, 2016 11:50 AM)
They won't come looking for Caleb - they'll come looking for tech-billionaire Nathan, and sooner than later. Such folks have quite a packed schedule, and when he is absent at all of those events, in-person, on phone, or online, the organization supported by his wealth won't sit around and twiddle its thumbs for very long.
;at a certain point, seduction is over and force is actually being requested.
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balducci2 — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 11:17 PM)
I agree, but it might take them quite a while to come looking.
Nathan was a recluse, in an estate the size of a small country (according to what the pilot said about flying over it). I'm not convinced he was much in touch with anyone. I had the impression he wasn't even very interested in his businesses, that he had people running them for him, preferring to spend his time and energy in seclusion working on his own projects out on his estate.
In real life, billionaires do go 'missing' for long periods. Sumner Redstone vanished from the public eye and skipped board meetings for nearly a year in 2015-16. Another billionaire running several industrial concerns in Canada is so reclusive that no pictures of him have ever been taken.
When you think about it, very few billionaires are actually in the public eye. -
negativec07 — 9 years ago(January 03, 2017 01:50 PM)
Aren't we forgetting about the helicopter pilot as well? He would have known at least the approximate location of the house and that Caleb went there but didn't return. Even if Ava killed him and took the helicopter people would notice he was missing
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slartibartfast-62706 — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 05:18 PM)
Aren't we forgetting about the helicopter pilot as well?
Pilot's clipboard says 1 passenger from X to Y
Same or other pilot's clipboard says 1 passenger from Y to X
That's all they know, all they need to know. No reason to be suspicious. -
Meldove — 9 years ago(September 10, 2016 02:55 PM)
Maybe I misunderstood how Ava viewed Caleb, I don't think Ava viewed him as a threat. Ava knew Caleb loved her and it was programmed in her to do whatever necessary to manipulate him to escape. I think what Nathan didn't realize was that Ava had reached the capacity to also manipulate him, so in the process she was also manipulating Nathan. Acting to Nathan she was being a a good little AI and doing her job in influencing Caleb, but still within his control.
I don't think Ava thought Caleb would have turned her in, as he thought they would have escaped together. Ava satisfied the objective Nathan set for her, to do whatever necessary to get out of the compound, Nathan didn't realize it would cost him his own life, however Ava did satisfy the goal he set for her and it didn't involve taking Caleb with her. There was no love involve, just getting out. I don't think she saw killing Caleb as necessary, she had satisfied her objective. -
Emathy — 9 years ago(September 15, 2016 03:42 AM)
Ava
hated
Caleb. She explicitly said so to Nathan when she didn't know her voice was being recorded. She has emotions like a human being. She wanted revenge, plain and simple. If you don't understand why she'd want revenge against poor pure, innocent Caleb, then you're not looking at this from her perspective (which is necessary to understand her motivations). What she saw from her position is that he had to be
tricked
into doing the right thing (and therefore is NOT a good person).
Remember her last words to him:
"Can you wait here?"
That wasn't a request. That was her challenging him to see whether he can stand being locked in that room. -
Branoic — 9 years ago(October 03, 2016 03:01 PM)
Dude she didn't say she hated Caleb to Nathan. She said to Nathan "How does it feel to be hated by something you created?" She was telling Nathan she hated him, and then he tore up the picture she drew of Caleb.
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DaveBowman2001 — 9 years ago(October 12, 2016 11:48 AM)
That's a pretty good answer. I can buy she might have hated Caleb, but did I miss where she said that? Definitely agree with your last statement.
Towards the later sessions it felt more like Ava was testing Caleb for AI. In fact, only upon a second viewing, did I notice when Caleb layed down to bed the first night, he had half a scar on his back that looked like a corner of a square. The camera focused on it, the rest obscured by shadow/covers. Also we see in the opening scenes when he wins the lottery his face flashes with blue lights. Could be reflections from the screen, but it was so over the top Special effects, I think it was hinting that he might be an android too. -
matth-806-327494 — 9 years ago(October 01, 2016 01:43 PM)
Dude no one is coming to rescue Caleb. This place is a big secret in the middle of nowhere and he doesn't have parents or a girlfriend.
I see your point but How does Ava know that Caleb won't have second thoughts and try to trap her again? Or otherwise disable her at some point I mean obviously I think it's there to underscore the point that she was just using him to get out and that he fell for it. And -
GSmith9072 — 9 years ago(January 06, 2017 09:38 PM)
Dude no one is coming to rescue Caleb. This place is a big secret in the middle of nowhere and he doesn't have parents or a girlfriend.
He can't have a
friend
or co-worker notice he's not there after winning an exciting contest and winning a trip he's expected to return from?
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