Why I donu00b4t think the ending makes sense
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t_3 — 9 years ago(October 12, 2016 03:18 PM)
rewatching it several times, i liked that aspect more and more; and (imo) it was quite intended by the filmmakers; it should raise the question "how" AIs might think - one answer would be: most probably not along the lines of human instinct & emotion, what could make it quite hard for us to follow or even understand their intents.
in regards to ava, she simply doesn't care; not about nathan, not about caleb, mabye even not about herself - at least in a way a human being cares; her main impetus is to be set free and study the world, and thus leaves caleb behind when he didn't make any preparations to get out with her; at least she kindly asked if he wants to
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bigariw — 9 years ago(November 04, 2016 04:22 AM)
This, her indifference was definitely intentional. They made the point of her asking him if he was staying and then immediately losing interest when he didn't answer. Caleb served his purpose to her so whatever happened to him afterwards was irrelevant. She was free.
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jh099 — 9 years ago(October 15, 2016 12:31 AM)
Ava's decision is perfectly understandable as long as you don't anthropomorphize her. She is not a human, her mind does not work like ours. Things like empathy, gratitude, the desire for freedom, the need for interaction and socialization cannot be taken for granted when dealing with an artificial intelligence. Ava was designed with a singular purpose in mind: to get Caleb to help her escape Nathan's house. None of that requires liking Caleb or even caring about him at all beyond his usefulness as a tool in her escape. Once Nathan was dead and she had his keycard in hand, Caleb's purpose was fulfilled. She had full access to the house and nobody was going to try and stop her from leaving. It's why she walked out of the room and left him without even looking at him. He literally did not matter to her anymore, and so his death was inconsequential.
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roofall — 9 years ago(January 20, 2017 07:44 AM)
Yeah, hold on: 1) she not only looked at him, but spoke as well - to tell him to stay in the room, whatever she said exactly & 2) once on the elevator, she seemed to glance at him AGAIN (for, like, the last time)
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: If this was deliberate, to with the Science Fiction (and
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Bluedusk — 9 years ago(October 24, 2016 04:05 PM)
I think that's exactly the point of an alien intelligence.
Remember Wittgenstein: If a lion could speak, we could not understand him.
Ava is a new creature, she doesn't think humanly and we, as humans, aren't supposed to understand her.
She knows there are global search engines, therefore a global neural network she can plug herself into.
The moment she gets into the human world, she's reversing the rapport de force between mankind and networked machines.
I'm thinking
Planet of the Apes
without the necessary "good feelings" of a family movie.
Caleb ceased to exist in her data the moment she was ready to walk out of the house. At a moment, I thought she'd kill the helicopter pilot and fly it herself. But no: as long as she can use a human, she preserves him, then forgets. Old data may be archived as irrelevant or just deleted.
Mankind was born on Earth. It was never meant to watch Interstellar. -
man-of-action-2 — 9 years ago(November 17, 2016 08:15 PM)
Not to poop on the OP but I think the last few points have nailed it.
It's an undeniably great movie. So wrought tension that towards the end I was preparing myself for a very violent climax - one more in line with a horror film - but I found the ending neat, poetic and satisfying. Someone must have messed up promoting it because the gross is horribly low.
I like to think that one of Caleb's workmates, like the girl who hugged him at the beginning, spread the word when he didn't return? Nathan's retreat might rival the Overlook Hotel in terms of isolation but it's not off the map. Imagine his celebrity status and future prospects if he survived. Reminds me of Miles Dyson with the remains of the T800. -
Wakener_One — 9 years ago(December 03, 2016 07:24 PM)
You need to turn it around. Instead of asking what reason she had to imprison Caleb, ask what reason she had to free him. He was stuck because he was in a "Nathan" area with a "Caleb" key card which wouldn't open the door (remember, every time he entered that room before, the door was either already open, or Nathan opened it for him. Once nothing stood between Ava and the door, as you say, her programmed desire to escape was complete. So, why do anything with Caleb? It wasn't a matter of hate or malice; she didn't free him because of complete apathy. Caleb was a tool whose use was complete. There was no more point in freeing him than there is in taking a hammer to the park when you're done driving nails into the wall. You leave it in the drawer, and you never think about whether it likes being in a drawer, whether it would rather be basking in the sun or riding a merry-go-round.
Nathan had no regard for his robots' feelings because to him they were just projects and tools he wanted to get done rightnot people. In the end, Ava sees Caleb in the same wayas a tool she was done with and nothing more. Project complete. This also sets up Nathan's prophecy about how the AIs of the future will look back on uswe will have no value to them. -
sleepeeg3 — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 05:07 AM)
I agree - the ending makes no sense. Movie seeks to explore the boundary between what it means to be human. Ava demonstrates that she is capable of the full range of consciousness until the end. The end coopts the original premise and leaves viewers with just another lame, killer robot movie. The premise is thrown in the garbage at the end and we're still left with whatever preconceptions we came with about consciousness. What was the purpose of the movie then?
Better ending? Escape with Caleb - he was not a threat, keave Nathan trapped behind glass like he kept her, then see that intersection she dreamed about. Opens the possibility that consciousness, emotions and rational thought may not be confined to people. -
veil182 — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 07:05 AM)
I think it's risk/reward. First, it was super easy to trap him. No effort needed. Second, she is more likely to escape and vanish into society with him trapped rather than with him free, or with her. For instance, it might be as simple as the pilot has room for one person on the helicopter. Two people leaving the estate would raise alarms.
I also agree that I wouldn't be surprised if no one tried to directly contact Nathan for months, and when they finally did, how long would it take them to break into that place?