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like he cut himself- tf is wrong with him? He seemed like a level headed guy with no mental illness then he randomly cut

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    kinickibeck — 10 years ago(January 07, 2016 10:01 AM)

    like he cut himself- tf is wrong with him? He seemed like a level headed guy with no mental illness then he randomly cuts himself after he see's clips of robots being made and trying to escape on Nathans computers? And before he cut up himself he was pulling at his body as if to see if he were a robot too. Tf? Nathan hand picked his kid, he had to have known he was a little off.

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      nightcal — 10 years ago(January 07, 2016 11:07 AM)

      All his work with Ava had him doubting whether he was human or just a robot with some false skin on top.
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        speare — 10 years ago(January 09, 2016 01:04 AM)

        It's like blade runner. Are you a human or a machine with falsely implanted memories. Caleb, without living family or wife would have pretty simple existence to create if Nathan made him.

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          Conundrum-NSA — 10 years ago(January 09, 2016 10:57 PM)

          that would have been more interesting than what we got.
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            pkop14 — 9 years ago(July 31, 2016 11:19 PM)

            It's been done before and is predictable. I think the scene is also included in the movie to dispel the theory in the minds of viewers. Without it, many would argue he was an AI as well. With it, it is clear he was not.

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              kya1 — 10 years ago(January 11, 2016 01:01 PM)

              He needed to know if he was truly human, or the same type of creation that Ava was.
              It's an interesting point. How would you know for sure that you were real flesh and blood unless you cut yourself open to see?

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                new_world81 — 10 years ago(January 14, 2016 11:42 AM)

                He had been drinking too right?

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                  kaskait — 10 years ago(January 14, 2016 11:56 AM)

                  There are three major scenes in the bathroom.
                  When Caleb arrives at Nathan's home, he is shown to have massive scarring due to damage from the car accident in his youth. It isn't highlighted in the film, but that much scarring would almost certainly affect a person's self esteem, body image and personhood. Caleb could have a very real disconnect with his own body.
                  The next is a shot of him shaving, in the meantime Nathan is setting up a little scene for Caleb to witness. But this is one of the more ridiculous scenes in the film. Because how could Nathan know for sure that Caleb was watching? It just seems silly.
                  Third is when Caleb cuts his wrist. The film focuses on the fact that the cut is very deep and large. It looks as if Caleb cut an artery. He would have bled out terribly and almost certainly would have required stitches for that wound.
                  So we have to ask ourselves, did Caleb really cut himself? Was he hallucinating it? How else would he be alive and chipper the next day?
                  Or perhaps he really did fatally injure himself. Then what we saw at the end, may not even be real. Its just some death wish fantasy Caleb saw before the end.
                  Since I don't think the film is all that deep. I don't think much thought was put into the whole wrist cut. It was done, because it would look so INTENSE. Whoooo.

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                    FourthYear — 10 years ago(January 15, 2016 05:27 AM)

                    I think you over-analyzed and then over-simplified your own analysis.
                    It's very easy to discern that Caleb cut himself to ensure he was human and not a robot. One of the questions of the film (of which there are many quite subtly asked) is "what would happen if you didn't
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                    you were AI, and you thought you were real?"
                    Sure, Caleb's reaction may appear extreme, but it fits.

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                      kaskait — 10 years ago(January 15, 2016 06:20 AM)

                      Over simplify how?
                      The film shows Caleb making a very serious and life threatening wound then shows him walking about later as if nothing happened. That is ridiculous and laughable.

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                        FourthYear — 10 years ago(January 15, 2016 10:36 AM)

                        A flesh wound isn't life-threatening. It seems like you're assuming that just because you cut your forearm, you sever an artery that's not factually accurate. You're projecting your own thoughts of what would happen into someone else's story.

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                          aoloughlin — 10 years ago(January 16, 2016 12:30 AM)

                          Also, the staged scene wasn't set up KNOWING Caleb would be watching. It was just In case he was, so he wouldn't notice the new camera bring set up (also, to distract Ava for the same reason)

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                            vpurvis — 10 years ago(January 16, 2016 11:11 AM)

                            It would have been a great "twist" if Caleb was the "more advanced" AI and he was the one being tested.

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                              skay_baltimore — 9 years ago(April 10, 2016 10:53 AM)

                              Either that, or Nathan was the pre-programmed AI (pre-programmed to believe that he was the "boss") and Caleb was actually the boss, testing Nathan's advanced AI.
                              "Lettin' the cat outta the bag is a whole lot easier 'n puttin' it back in." Will Rogers

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                                devotee-2 — 9 years ago(January 03, 2017 08:32 AM)

                                Uncanny (2015)
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                                  carjones51 — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 08:17 PM)

                                  I couldn't agree more w/you! That should have been what happened.

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                                    ipsofatso — 10 years ago(January 16, 2016 12:05 PM)

                                    FourthYear you are on to Kaskait. She is always seeing scenes not as they are intended to be viewed but as she embellishes them in her mind.

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                                      kaskait — 10 years ago(January 16, 2016 04:12 PM)

                                      How is it just a flesh wound? The film posits a problem for the viewer in this scene.
                                      The wound is bleeding out quite heavily. If it was just a little dribble, just a little bit of bloodthen I would say yeah, it was nothing. But it isn't nothing. The film is telling the viewer what Caleb did was serious. Then it cuts out how Caleb stopped that serious bleeding.
                                      Why? What is the film indicating with that?

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                                        ipsofatso — 10 years ago(January 18, 2016 11:38 AM)

                                        Please re-read Fourthyear's and aoloughlin's fact-based responses, and try to assimilate a little sense.

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                                          jpl31 — 10 years ago(March 26, 2016 09:06 PM)

                                          I'm with kaskait on this. That arm cut's a lot more obvious a sign he's a robot than the Blade Runner unicorns.

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