like he cut himself- tf is wrong with him? He seemed like a level headed guy with no mental illness then he randomly cut
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kaskait — 10 years ago(January 16, 2016 04:12 PM)
How is it just a flesh wound? The film posits a problem for the viewer in this scene.
The wound is bleeding out quite heavily. If it was just a little dribble, just a little bit of bloodthen I would say yeah, it was nothing. But it isn't nothing. The film is telling the viewer what Caleb did was serious. Then it cuts out how Caleb stopped that serious bleeding.
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pkop14 — 9 years ago(July 31, 2016 11:24 PM)
Jesus you guys are idiots. That scene is in the movie so people like you CANNOT claim that he is a robot. The movie is playing on your suspicions that he may be an AI, and him cutting his arm is unequivocally disproving them.
You will not bleed out just by cutting a deep cut in your arm unless you hit an artery. Is this really so hard to understand? I guess they could have shown him wrapping up his arm to stop the bleeding but I don't think it is necessary. -
lknfk71 — 9 years ago(August 21, 2016 12:07 PM)
the cut he gave himself is comparable to those self-inflicted wound people do when the commit suicide.
If you cut across your wrist, the veins will seal up, ensuring you do not bleed out. If you cut down the length of your arm, you will bleed out much faster and the wound will not clot.
There is even a saying for it "Cut down the highway, not across the street" -
HalBanksy — 10 years ago(March 28, 2016 09:06 AM)
Or perhaps he really did fatally injure himself. Then what we saw at the end, may not even be real. Its just some death wish fantasy Caleb saw before the end.
Since I don't think the film is all that deep
The last section of the film basically being a dream, would not be "deep" at all. -
larshevn — 10 years ago(March 28, 2016 04:56 PM)
So we have to ask ourselves, did Caleb really cut himself? Was he hallucinating it? How else would he be alive and chipper the next day?
During the confrontation between Nathan and Caleb the morning after, Nathan tells him "I woke up this morning to a tape of you slicing your arm open and punching the mirror". So yes, it really did happen. -
riversevern — 9 years ago(July 22, 2016 03:41 PM)
I'm no medical expert but I was under the impression that if you were to cut yourself that way and especially THAT deeply, you would die quickly without medical attention.
Personally, what I took away from that scene is that Caleb himself was AI. That blood looked fake by movie standards which made me wonder if it was intentional or not. Also, to me, the punching of the mirror indicated to me that he'd discovered that he was never actually human. And he keeps rubbing and squeezing his hands afterwards, like a reminder that he's not human like he feels.
Having said that, the rest of the movie then doesn't make much sense to me. So honestly, I don't really know, but it's fun to speculate and I still very much enjoyed it. -
kaskait — 9 years ago(July 31, 2016 07:20 AM)
Yes, I'm now leaning heavily toward the idea that Caleb is an AI form.
Because then that fits into the whole religious symbolism they have set up.
Ava is supposedly Eve to Caleb's Adam or the Bride to Frankenstein's monster. We also have to take into account Caleb's name which means faith, devotion.
Since Ava/Eve/Bride refuses to be Caleb's other, she then turns into Lilith. The first wife of Adam who refuses marriage and becomes subsequently a demon.
So I think our focus should now heavily lean toward whether or not we are inside Nathan's black box, his wetwear system. Did all this happen in reality? Or are we in simulation? VR?
Again, note that Caleb cut himself quite deeply, bled out all over but spends the rest of the film walking around healthy. That is odd and could be a hint that we aren't in reality. -
pkop14 — 9 years ago(July 31, 2016 11:28 PM)
How is "it's all a dream" a meaningful or original story?
How is that more insightful than what we ACTUALLY saw happen, a strong AI escape captivity by using her intelligence, and gaining freedom (for better or worse) into society?
What. the. beep. are. you. talking about?
Your rambling incoherently about themes that are basically irrelevant to this story. -
kaskait — 9 years ago(August 01, 2016 06:47 AM)
Why are so sure what we saw was real? Again, look at what Caleb did to himself, he should have been airlifted out of that bunker for medical emergency.
How can you be sure we are not inside one of Nathan's experiments of AI?
All without leaving the actual computer.
Isn't it odd that there are only 3 main characters (Kyoko really isn't involved except to look odd) that represent the ID (Ava), EGO (Caleb) and the Super Ego (Nathan). What we saw was an AI mental breakdown with the Ego failing to do its job of mediation and the ID breaks out of containment causing havoc. After all the ID is nothing but whims and desires which is AVA in a nutshell. -