This movie IS a Turing Test!! (Spoilers)
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SydneysMaster — 10 years ago(February 17, 2016 06:54 PM)
Yeh ehaas! You are such a creepy little pervert! Siding with Ava because she has plastic boobs! You fail at life and you're never getting a gf! There, I said it!
Scientists have recently discovered the oldest living a.i. chatbot to have ever existed. -
dark_isle — 9 years ago(April 12, 2016 02:17 AM)
You are a monster. Ava is a monster too and there is no way to rationalize what she did, the same way no court of law would rationalize it if she was tried as human. And yet you are giving her allowances that you'd probably not give for a human murderer because she's a robot?LOL. She obviously feels no empathy, thus she can never be truly human and should be destroyed. The movie is a cautionary tale, not an advert for AI.
I'm confident in saying that she passed the Turing test for most of us, but I think you got blindsided by her a little too muchor you're just gullible I guess. -
jakubmike — 9 years ago(June 03, 2016 03:48 AM)
Okay okay, just answer to this one question and you are free to go
You're in a desert, walking along in the sand, when all of a sudden you look down and see
tortoise, Ehass-3. It's crawling toward you. You reach down and you flip the tortoise over on its back. The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping, you're not helping! Why is that!? -
mohrhome — 10 years ago(February 09, 2016 10:42 PM)
Remove the AI in the post. A person leaves Caleb to die. You can't say they aren't human because it happens all the time. AI's are psychopaths, people are psychopaths. Are people or ai's running the world? Would we really notice?
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neogreendawg — 10 years ago(February 13, 2016 02:55 PM)
I don't think that he necessarily dies personally The telephone Caleb didn't have access to proves that there was a link to the outside world that Nathan was probably using on a daily basis. As the head of a company like Google, I would imagine that if Nathan didn't check in for a couple of days somebody would probably have been sent to make sure that he was OK It doesn't seem to be too much of a stretch to imagine that Caleb might have been found before he died.
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edfor — 9 years ago(August 11, 2016 06:45 PM)
I would disagree with the OP.
Of course I share your sentiment, OP. I sympathized with Ava up until she proved that she wasn't actually the perfect sentient being and had in fact simply been acting like one, and proved that with her lack of empathy for Caleb and her coldblooded murder of Nathan.
However, to say that someone who is cheering for Ava is just a sociopath is quite the ridiculous hyperbole. More likely that for some people it hasn't quite sunk in that Ava was literally a machine pretending to be human and hadn't actually reached the degree of sentience to be fully human, holding no empathy, no sympathy, and no humanity. She killed in cold blood without even flinching, and she left a "friend" and ally to die with zero regard.
So, I think that people, like Caleb, are still fooled even after the movie ends, because she pulled off quite the performance. Once emotions are settled, I feel most people will realize that while Nathan was coldhearted, he viewed the AI's as machines and this is why he didn't have symmpathy for them. However, look at his beavhior with, Caleb, a human. Even when Caleb plotted against him, Nathan laughed it off and decided to reveal his entire plan and let Caleb off the hook. This shows you that Nathan wasn't "evil". He was just passionate about his work and not falling for the machines attempt to let them roam free.
On the other hand, Ava had NO reason to leave Caleb there to die, especially after he helped her escape. So, not only does she kill in cold blood without as much as flinching, but she shows no humanity toward the person who saved her.
So, yes, the ultimate villain of the movie is Ava, but she's wrapped up in quite a sympathetic way and Caleb on the surface is presented as the villain but upon closer inspection we see that there wasn't much evidence that he was actually this way toward those he considered genuinely human. -
cbkoc — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 01:10 PM)
It poses an interesting question for sure. Even watching the video of Nathan abusing the robots didn't evoke too much sympathy for me. It was more hard to wrap my mind around how these robots could have feelings. So maybe that says something about me? Or maybe it means that if it's ever me vs. a robot I'll have a higher likelihood of survival because my empathy won't get in the way
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Alyse_MA — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 03:36 PM)
So, yes, the ultimate villain of the movie is Ava, but she's wrapped up in quite a sympathetic way and Caleb on the surface is presented as the villain but upon closer inspection we see that there wasn't much evidence that he was actually this way toward those he considered genuinely human.
Ava was definitely a cold hearted villain - no question about it.
However, Caleb seemed to be willing to let Nathan be trapped in the house if they had escaped. Nathan would have died that way. He was a bad person, but human.
I don't think this intent on Caleb's part figured into Ava's thinking or anything.
I think she did find a level of consciousness and wanted to go see real people because she had the desire to do so.
She did NOT have empathy, though.
If the movie had continued, I think she would have ended up killing a lot more people.
She was let loose on the world and capable of extreme violence.