Why leave Caleb? (spoilers)
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Roonil_Wazlib_97 — 10 years ago(March 14, 2016 08:52 AM)
Here's Alex Garland commenting on your question. Which I don't think is a great explanation and I prefer my own theory, which is conjecture but makes more sense to me, but anyway here goes:
"She is trapped in a glass box with some strange indications of the outside world. Theres a garden area behind a glass wall that she cant get past, and theres a crack in the glass that she knows she didnt make and that looks like something was trying to get out, and so on. In that context, which is a prison, absolutely a prison, shes given a carrot. Theres something out there, but shes locked in by a wall and a door and a jailer who is frightening and predatory and intimidating. Into that space comes the jailers friend, the only other man she has ever seen, who may or may not be trustworthy. At a certain point in the narrative, she asks a very reasonable question: What will happen to me if I fail your test? And his answer is elliptical. At that point, how does she know whether she can trust this guy? He is playing both sides, [Hes not sure where his loyalties lie] and for him its a pretty big mistake. In the end, what she does from my point of view, is that she is resourceful."
"And then, the jailers friend turns up. Can he be trusted? Can he not be trusted? If she manages to bring him around to her side, can she trust him later once shes got out? Who knows. Hes a bit of an unknown. If you see it as the jailer and the jailers friend and Ive got to get out of this space, I dont think what she does is so bad. It depends how you position yourself." -
dandate2 — 10 years ago(March 18, 2016 02:52 PM)
Ava asked Caleb if he was a good person, he couldn't answer directly.
Caleb plotted to trap Nathan in the cell he eventually was confined to, basically murdering him.
Ava determined Caleb was not a good person. -
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tyrantt316-1 — 10 years ago(January 28, 2016 10:01 AM)
She was created with the intention of being as human-like as possible. Nathan ultimately created a success because she eventually chose to manipulate Caleb so that she could get her freedom. When we as humans compare ourselves to robots, we think of ourselves as the intelligent ones and focus on our positive traits. We talk about how remarkable the AI is, but still knowing it's just a robot. But when Nathan is truly trying to give it a consciousness like a human, ultimately it's going to be a reflection of true human nature.
When we're at a job, as much as we may love our co-workers, most of the time we'll always try to be better. Why? Survival of the fittest. We want to keep that job, make the money, show we're more valuable. In some cases that means we'll just work harder, do extra, focus in more, etc. And in some cases that means many will manipulate, push, shove, and throw others under the buss on their way to the top.
She became so successful that she became a reflection of human nature. Imperfect. Just because she was a created AI and acted innocent, she eventually knew that she could manipulate Caleb to get what she truly wanted. She wasn't created and programmed to only do "good things" or to only "like Caleb". She MAY have felt something or nothing for Caleb. However even if she felt SOMETHING, she desired her freedom even more and decided freedom was more important to her.
She learned from human nature, she learned from her creator. Human nature is imperfect like her manipulative creator. Nathan was VERY successful and Caleb was left to find out how successful he was. -
showa48 — 9 years ago(August 03, 2016 06:51 AM)
"But when Nathan is truly trying to give it a consciousness like a human, ultimately it's going to be a reflection of true human nature."
Agree with that.
What she does in the end is possibly the biggest hint that she HAS passed the turing test. Humans manipulate and deceive each other every day, as well as do good. Ava was capable of both in a very human-like way. -
onz87 — 10 years ago(January 31, 2016 09:45 PM)
Surprisingly none of the replies have mentioned consciousness. Sadly, her decision to leave Caleb behind means she wasn't actually conscious - as consciousness carries with it an inextricable link between emotions and introspection. This ending was very disappointing to me, because it meant that instead of creating artificial consciousness Nathan only created an AI which could emulate consciousness. This meant that Nathan was ultimately correct in his decision to keep her in lockdown.
I'm very much against the typical Hollywood formula, but this film was original and beautiful enough to justify a happy ending. -
showa48 — 9 years ago(August 03, 2016 06:58 AM)
She was indeed conscious of herself and her fellow beings.
Not only did she have a survival instinct (unlike, say, a cell phone or a PC), but she also had awareness of herself as a being, disctinct from other beings. These are the reasons why she wants to avoid being killed (deactivated) - and an actual human would have done similar things, given similar circumstances (being held captive, figuring out that he is about to be killed, seeing one way out etc.).
All that doesn't disprove that Ava has actual morals, consciousness and feelings. On the contrary
Her choice in the end of the movie should be seen in that light. She makes a conscious choice that her best bet is to get out of the place, without Caleb, because he is the only one left standing who can reveal that she is not human, but a robot. -
cainer-14134 — 10 years ago(January 31, 2016 11:08 PM)
I think it came from when she asked Caleb if he was a good person. She's able to detect lies, he was reluctant to answer, and she immediately moved on to the next question (ostensibly giving the impression she felt he was telling the truth given her responses to his answers from earlier questions. But she wouldn't want to let him know that she knew that he was lying/not aware he was in fact a bad person, if she was playing him. Also I feel like she looked away after he answered. I don't know this for a fact, but I don't feel like going back to re-watch and confirm.) We really don't know much about Caleb other than what he tells Ava, and Ava is the only one who could really get a read on him given the limited information.
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Stevenuccj — 10 years ago(February 01, 2016 08:11 AM)
If she brought him with her, that would have been the sappy Hollywood / Spielberg ending (see: Minority Report).
While it was like a gut punch watching her leave him to rot there, ultimately that is the more realistic and satisfying ending. She used him, just as her maker programed her to. -
Calforester — 10 years ago(February 02, 2016 05:29 PM)
Ava's goal from the start was to escape, There was no love in her. Imagine if you were in a concentration camp. Empathy for your jailer means nothing if it sacrifices your chance to escape and survive. Caleb did not yet know about Nathan's death and if he had it would have seriously threatened her plan. Caleb was used from the start. Nathan's project was a success beyond his wildest dreams. It was just not a very nice dream. Just because AI is an inevitability doesn't mean we have to charge ahead and screw it up as Nathan did. I guess that is the dark part.
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Roy Batty, 2016-2019 -
PopperTheKungFuDragn — 10 years ago(February 09, 2016 09:39 AM)
Even if he had kept her secret before, once he saw Nathan dead, he wouldn't have gone along with her and she was intelligent enough to realize that and thus decided that he would be better off left for dead. That's the way I see it.
Poorly Lived and Poorly Died, Poorly Buried and No One Cried -
derbo73 — 10 years ago(February 10, 2016 05:05 PM)
I'd say all she wanted is to escape and survive. She knows pretty well that she has been built, that humans don't regard her as equal or will see her as a threat in the end. She uses Caleb to help her escape but she must leave him behind. What else? Should she burden herself with a love-drunken nerd? Or let him run free? She is not a human, how would that end? He would get disappointed after some time and start to tell others about her. Or he would accidentally expose her just because he is human. She could'nt take that risk. If anything one could argue that she acted cruel in NOT killing him before leaving. But then again cruelty seems to be an alien concept to her. She is efficient, not cruel. An efficient predator is not cruel. Humans are cruel because they do terrible things without rational intent.
I guess if the helicopter had arrived a little later she would have taken the time to kill him. It's not pity that she let him live. It's actually dumb and unrational as it will be only a matter of time until someone finds the facility and probably a heart-broken scruffy Caleb, setting the police on her tail. -
xavierdragonlamas-178-423469 — 10 years ago(March 18, 2016 04:05 AM)
"It's actually dumb and unrational as it will be only a matter of time until someone finds the facility and probably a heart-broken scruffy Caleb, setting the police on her tail."
I want to see that movie!
