So Women are Basically Robots?
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Frantastic_Miss_Fox — 10 years ago(February 03, 2016 01:59 AM)
So robot or not, the inference seems to be that Ava will somehow assimilate. And I interpret the passage as a suggestion that, at some level at least, robots can be made human. The wall between the two is thinner than some may imagine, one significant reason being that humans are often robot like in our daily interactions with the world and with people.
Oooh, I like that idea!
My favourite thing about movies and all art forms and forms of entertainment (TV shows, books, songs, etc.) is the fact that everyone will look at them or watch them or hear them and they'll see and feel something different. That's why I find discussions on them so fascinating because I like to see how other people's minds interpreted something compared to mine. I find the OP of this thread's interpretation (and the interpretation of a couple of other posters' that have agreed with him) of this film somewhat concerning but if that's what they took away from it then that's the way their mind decided to view it. -
CoastalCruiser — 10 years ago(February 04, 2016 02:54 AM)
because I like to see how other people's minds interpreted something compared to mine
Interesting. I had a realization while reading your reply that my penchant for wanting to know the
film maker
had in mind is, at one level, just getting the take of someone else regarding the film.
btw- just to let you know, your use of sarcasm in this thread comes through quite well.
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jakubmike — 9 years ago(June 03, 2016 10:45 AM)
or D, it was using him as a tool to escape, once he was no longer usefull he was eliminated out of the equasion. I don't think "she" is a true AI, it is a clever chatbot and riddlesolver, as it was programmed to be.
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Frantastic_Miss_Fox — 10 years ago(December 22, 2015 04:23 AM)
Well, of course. The psychotic, alcoholic, egomaniac can't be the monster. He was just having fun with some technology. That machine he created though, what an ungrateful bitch. I mean it's almost like she didn't want to spend her life as a compliant sex slave.
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goodbyeenemyairship — 10 years ago(December 28, 2015 08:42 AM)
The post below from another user, posted before yours, is poignant:
"This movie was made to illustrate how the opposite sexes use and manipulate each other hellooooo. Nathan uses his robots as sex slaves essentially. This represents the way men use women for physical needs and don't show proper respect. Ava seduces and flirts with Caleb to help her escape. She manipulates him, using her sexuality and looks into getting what she wants. Then she kicks him to the curb in the end which represents how women do that often in the world"
To look at it as either/or is simplifying it too much. There are unsavory actions from both sexes and a fair assessment recognizes the uncomfortable truths coming from either extreme. -
Frantastic_Miss_Fox — 10 years ago(January 05, 2016 02:16 AM)
I was being sarcastic in my response. I'd hoped it would come across but it's hard to convey sarcasm through text. My point was towards the fact that there are a lot of posters on this thread (and on this board) that are completely focusing on Ava and the fact she did something nasty to Caleb and Nathan, and are completely ignoring everything that Nathan has done. I'm in agreement with your point, to say that one has done something wrong and not the other is incorrect.
There are unsavory actions from both sexes and a fair assessment recognizes the uncomfortable truths coming from either extreme.
I agree with this, but I do think a lot of people on here don't seem to realise that it's portraying the extremes and that it's not saying that that's what all men and women are like. -
jakubmike — 9 years ago(June 03, 2016 04:04 AM)
Nathan had a horror house of female androids he used and abused for his own purposes
Can you abuse an oven? Microwave? If I say to siri "beep you" am I hurting her feelings? If I kick my computer is it domestic abuse? -
tkouten — 10 years ago(December 01, 2015 10:46 PM)
This movie was made to illustrate how the opposite sexes use and manipulate each other hellooooo. Nathan uses his robots as sex slaves essentially. This represents the way men use women for physical needs and don't show proper respect. Ava seduces and flirts with Caleb to help her escape. She manipulates him, using her sexuality and looks into getting what she wants. Then she kicks him to the curb in the end which represents how women do that often in the world.
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kimoleg — 10 years ago(December 12, 2015 11:20 AM)
See it from Ava's perspective. A.I. locked up for tests and Nathan's sexual desires. The first human Ava deals with, turns out to be a crazy sociopath, so logically Ava concludes that all "men" are the same. (Kind of like in your case)
Caleb falls in love with Ava, because she's designed according to Caleb's fantasies of the perfect fit.
Let's face it! Caleb is horny for Ava and Ava made "herself" desirable enough to convince him to save "her".
He doesn't seem to care much for Kyoko, whether or not she's too a victim.
P.S. If you got rejected or heartbroken by 99% of all women, then you should consider men. Perhaps you'll hit a homerun. There're still 100% of them. -
jarrod_tindall — 10 years ago(January 16, 2016 08:06 PM)
You have all missed the moral of this story.
If you are a computer nerd, even if you are rich, and you want to have sex with hot girls you will have to build your own. Conversely, if you are a computer nerd and a hot girl acts interested in you, run, she is using you for something dude. You are going to get hurt in the end, and you still won't get to have sex with her.
This is not all women, or all men. Just hot girls and computer nerds.
This holds true the other way around. Just swap the genders and it's still true. -
Calforester — 10 years ago(February 01, 2016 12:13 PM)
You accidentally or on purpose hit upon a major point. Nathan coded a lot of the consciousness of his bots, so in one argument is was his own immature understanding of women as a reclusive computer geek that played out with Ava. Another argument is that women have evolved complicated methods for survival against a stronger counterpart in men, and that part of Ava's behavior was gleaned from her access to BlueBook. Or maybe both. The fact that Nathan is a creepy little computer guy certainly was no accident in Garland's casting of Oscar Isaac.
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Roy Batty, 2016-2019 -
robertmichel — 10 years ago(February 03, 2016 06:23 AM)
Never trust a woman. Human or robot.
(On the other hand, isn't that proof that Nathan must've be really great at programming if he creates a female AI and it turns out to be a cold, manipulative bitch?)