What did you guys think about the ex?
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justanicknamed — 9 years ago(June 24, 2016 02:30 PM)
Again, not wanting the ex to be a distraction. Not wanting people to turn and whisper about him instead of having all of the attention be on the daughter.
Believe me, I'm really happy he wanted to be a part of her life. But he effed up. Now he has to bend over and take it in the shorts until he redeems himself.
Had he talked to the mom and asked if he could come over after the party when all of the guests were gone and she said no, then I'd certainly be on the side saying she was being unreasonable. -
DracTarashV — 9 years ago(June 07, 2016 09:29 PM)
She is one of the most reasonable ex-wives I've seen in a movie by far. Yes, it was unfortunate for the well-meaning Scott that he couldn't see his daughter, but the wife was just following the damn rules.
You want something corny? You got it! -
Gambit771 — 9 years ago(July 28, 2016 09:55 AM)
She was the typical controlling ex wife you see in most films involving an ex wife.
Lazy writing but that's most of the sub plot already written.
The most important thing was her child having a healthy relationship with both parents sorry money and complete control of her daughter and father's relationship. -
justanicknamed — 9 years ago(December 23, 2016 07:11 AM)
I get what you are saying, but he also becomes a distraction. Instead of the focus being on the girl, now the focus is on the convicted, ex-husband being there.
What Scott did was noble, but at the same time, he broke his promise to his wife. He was supposed to be there for her and their child, and because of his actions, he was taken away for 3 years. Who knows what the wife and child went through? Did they lose their house? Did they have to move to a sleazy apartment building while she picked up the pieces of her life?
It is understandable for her to be upset, but at least she left the door open for Scott to still be a part of their daughter's life. -
SkySoar — 9 years ago(January 01, 2017 05:42 PM)
Regardless of what position Scott
was
in the end of the film, that is rendered moot now due to the events of Civil War. As much as I love that movie, it basically ruined Scott's character in the context of
his
world. -
justanicknamed — 9 years ago(January 03, 2017 08:47 AM)
When Captain America needs your help.
I mean, think about this. It is one thing to say to your wife that you got arrested because you stopped the evil corporation from screwing over its employees. It is a lot different to tell her you got arrested for helping Captain America stop a plot to unleash enhanced terrorists on the world. -
gpmorrissey — 9 years ago(January 02, 2017 08:36 AM)
She wasnt trying to cut him out, she just want him to put some stability in his life.
yes and no - she wasn't trying to directly cut him out but she was trying to impose her rules about what he could or couldn't do, especially rules that are extremely difficult for him to meet.
In the real world it shouldn't be up to one parent to set the rules of whether the other parent is allowed to be a parent - it doesn't work that way. But for the purposes of the film we are supposed to see why he ends up going for a criminal venture that he'd turned down- hence he has to be knocked back by what are preconditions he cannot meet any time soon.
It doesn't help that this is an emotive issue that tends overwhelmingly to be pushed on here as the mother should have the right here to set rules and run things how she wants. The problem is people are viewing this episode on that basis. Firstly it leads to people reading into the plot their own tangents about this must have happened, or that, leading to the ability to say but he's a criminal so automatically he shouldn't have the right to just see his daughter etc. All of which totally ignores the fact the only piece of information we're consistently given is that there was something about his crime that was based on (for him) a matter of principle and it wasn't just some petty or sordid or violent or substance fuelled act that deserves the response people are giving. More so it actually dampens the key plot point here, how his desire to have that contact with his daughter leads him into this set of events.
Put it this way, for him to meet her preconditions would take a considerable time, at which point contact with the daughter could be so distant that it is never possible to pick it up again. (Which then makes it easier for the new couple to argue he shouldn't be in her life now). Hence the reason he is tempted into going for the quick solution.
It is interesting how careful they are to not show the mother in a bad light and that is possibly why the key unfairness in the rules she is trying to set doesn't really come across. By making the new partner a jerk and the mother not they've managed to deaden that plot twist too much. On first viewing it almost becomes about a battle between him and the new man, when in reality what pushes him into the crime is the conditions being put against him seeing his daughter. To the point where I'd say they screwed this one up in the writing by trying to continue the plot but be careful about how.