Spider Rico even tho he lost to Rocky..Spider had a nothing to losedo anything to win attitude hence the head butt he ga
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Rocky Balboa
hydra_100 — 14 years ago(September 17, 2011 08:42 AM)
Spider Rico even tho he lost to Rocky..Spider had a nothing to losedo anything to win attitude hence the head butt he gave to Rocky in the first movieand he hangs out and does dishes at Adrian's restaurant..wheres the other has beens? hahaha
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dcdw21 — 14 years ago(October 15, 2011 09:18 AM)
#1 Ivan Drago : Unlike Clubber Lang, he went right into the final round with probably the strongest version of Rocky Balboa and while Drago did get (T)KO'd, he showed far superior stamina and power compared to Clubber Lang.
#2 Apollo (Prime) : Best all round fighter with good footwork, punching power, and experience.
#3 Tommy Gunn/Clubber Lang : Basic brawlers with incredible punching power. Outworked by footwork and in the end could dish it out but couldn't take it.
#4 Mason Dixon : He would probably be pretty solid in the technique department, but as it was said, he barely edged out a Rocky who was forced to fight with bare strength training, that said if he barely edged out an aged Rocky, he would probably get wiped out easily by Lang/Gunn.
Rocky (as a fighter) ratings
#1 : Rocky 3/4 (After having been trained by Apollo to properly use footwork and body/head movement along with a proper training regimen, he became an all out beast surpassing pretty much everyone else in just about every conceivable area)
#2 : Rocky 1/2 (A little wiser and hungry, he's all heart and tough as a brick ****house despite his shortcomings with proper technique)
#3 : Rocky 5/Balboa (In rocky 5, just a bad hit could cause him severe brain damage or death, still pretty tough but obviously he's to worn out. In RB his body is too aged to properly train like he has in the past and in turn has to just work on pure strength with out any technique.) -
canad-ian — 14 years ago(November 06, 2011 11:42 PM)
The only reason Drago did so well was because he was juiced up on steroids.
Had he foughten fairly, he would've been very average.
Any of those fighters, CLEAN, and in their prime.. I'd have to say Apollo or Mason.
Tommy Gunn didn't have the experience, Drago had the unfair advantage and didn't have the overall speed, and Clubber had terrible endurance.
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TheDoofusBoy — 14 years ago(November 08, 2011 09:09 PM)
- Drago (easily #1)
- Apollo
- Clubber (He would destroy the scrubs. He is a flawed fighter. You can rope a dope him and let him get tired.
- Dixon
- Gunn (He's a bum)
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Asmodeus_10 — 14 years ago(December 09, 2011 05:48 AM)
Everyone seems to be assuming that Drago was in his prime in Rocky IV. Dolph Lundgren was only 27 when the movie was made and his character might have been even younger. He probably would have continued to improve for 3-5 years after this fight and could have easily defeated the other 4. I think he would have been better than Rocky was in his prime.
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AGood — 14 years ago(February 04, 2012 08:57 AM)
On reading the topic I thought Drago easily.
Now on reading it I am not sure.
The one thing I remember from Rocky 1 was that Apollo never mind losing, never mind someone going the disatance against him (meaning every win was a KO) he had also never even been on the ground once before.
Apollo would have fought against people like Clubba Lang easily, and likely against people like Drago (massive power punchers).
In Rocky 1 he was overconfident, did not train and thought Rocky would be a push over.
In Rocky 2 he was mad angry and could have won on points again but went for the knockout and ended up losing just to Rocky.
My list
Apollo was the best. And should have won in Rocky II if he did not let pride take over going for the knockout.
Rocky was not the best he just had determination. When he did not have determination he was mediocre.
Drago
Tommy Gun
Clubber Lang
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AGood — 14 years ago(February 08, 2012 07:34 AM)
I rank him higher as Rocky Trained him. And because as it has been pointed out above when Rocky went at Clubber with a strategy he won convincingly.
Clubber has no stamina. He is a power puncher.
I do not think it will be an easy win. To be honest when coming up with it I was not sure who to put above. But I thought given that Rocky Trained him it would be disrespectful to put him below Clubber. And given Rocky poured all his effort into training him I do think Tommy would pip the win vs Clubber. -
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btemple-3 — 13 years ago(April 20, 2012 02:41 PM)
I think it depends on what you mean by the best? Best record? Best fighter?
I think by far Apollo was the best because he was as close to Mohammed Ali as far as talent, class, and respect for the sport. Not to mention that after losing to Rocky, he wanted to come back and train him against clubber. It takes a champion to accept defeat and move on.
I think Dixon was probably 2nd in line as far as a naturally talented boxer and athlete. With his speed and athleticism he could have played any sport. Only one issue I have with him is he really is a light heavyweight and probably shouldn't have been in the same category as all the rest of Rocky's opponents.
Clubber was just an angry bruiser with no respect for anyone except himself. He was extremely strong and intimidating but proved to be a lesser boxer losing to a smaller Rocky.
Drago was certainly big and strong, but I feel because he cheated with Steroids, we don't really know what his natural strength and abilities are without the help. So for that he gets demoted drastically.
Tommy Gunn in my opinion was just a joke. He would have lost to all the above if he fought any of them. Including Rocky in which he lost a street fight to. In order to be a champion, at least by Rocky's standards, you need to have heart. None of Rocky's opponents except Apollo had that in my opinion. they were all out for themselves where as Rocky didn't just think about himself. He was classy and went about his sport in the most professional classy way possible. -
bigal_a — 13 years ago(April 21, 2012 12:04 PM)
Apollo definitely the best. Rocky would have beaten several of his opponents a lot easier if he hadn't walked straight into so many punches, but Apollo was a natural, fluent boxer who could dodge and weave, and cover up if hurt.
Let's face it, prime Apollo would have trashed Clubber, Mason and Tommy with one hand tied behind his back (not to mention the hapless Union Caine). He would have had the smarts to rope-a-dope Clubber - after all, he was the one to point out to Rocky that Clubber had never been the full 15 rounds with anyone.
Apollo would have had his hands full with Ivan Drago, but he would have been much quicker and nimbler, and my guess is that if he had boxed Ivan rather than tried to knock him out, he would easily have outpointed him. After all, even when not at his best (almost certainly prior to the beating he got in "Rocky" - still a fight he won) he shows at first that he can totally flat-foot Ivan, dancing around and scoring at will. It's only when he tries to mix it up that he comes a cropper.
Young Rocky would have destroyed Dixon and Gunn right from the off with sheer determination, a sledgehammer punch and a concrete jaw. I don't think they'd have given him much trouble. He only lost to Clubber because he didn't take his training seriously (I think even without Apollo's "Eye of the Tiger" training he'd have won, but he would have been beaten up a lot uglier).
I have to say that he looks a lot worse after facing Apollo than after any of his other opponents, and he only just managed to edge it in the rematch by beating the count at 9, and Apollo almost held it together long enough to get up.
Clubber and Drago are clean, brutal knockouts (although Rocky looks a bit 'roidy himself in Rocky V), and Dixon is way, way younger and faster than Rocky , and he connects far, far more often than he gets tagged, and even then he only wins a split.
Apollo shows he can dig down deep and win a total slugging brawl with a fired-up, young Rocky. He can take it as well as dish it out.
For my money, prime Apollo Creed is prime Rocky's best opponent, indeed the only one who's really a match for him, with the possible exception of a steroid-pumped Ivan Drago, whose natural performance is therefore in doubt.