It's been awhile since I've seen this and I probably never will see it again because, even though I did watch this movie
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Zaphenzo — 15 years ago(February 07, 2011 09:37 PM)
It doesn't matter what is and isn't a crime. That's not what we're talking about here. We're saying that the teacher was out of line for saying what he said to Kale, and we think he got what he deserved when Kale punched him. I don't see anything about laws there.
And do you also think that Kale shouldn't have killed the dude with the hedge-clippers? Personally, the dude killed a bunch of people, I think he deserved it. But what Kale did was illegal. Killing, even in self defense, is considered by law to be unnecessary force. -
Mudvayne6182 — 14 years ago(June 16, 2011 01:33 PM)
Killing, even in self defense, is considered by law to be unnecessary force.
No, it's not. If your life is in immediate danger due to another person, you have every right (legally and ethically) to defend yourself. Even if that means ending the other persons life. The tricky part is "immediate danger" meaning, they better be trying to murder you. -
novastar_6 — 14 years ago(June 18, 2011 10:27 AM)
Exactly, whereas there is no threat of any kind for a teacher to get on your case because you're not doing the work and 'what would your father think?' is in no way grounds for criminal assault and battery, did he think the judge would say 'oh he insulted you so it's okay to pound his face in'?
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novastar_6 — 15 years ago(February 08, 2011 07:32 AM)
So did his corrupt cop cousin for that matter. he harrased Kale for no real reason. i cheered When Turner broke his neck.
True, I think everybody was HOPING that cop would die. But his manner was as professional as a broom closet psychiatrist, did the teacher make a public example of Kale in front of the entire student body like the sadist teacher in Pink Floyd's The Wall? No, he didn't, if memory serves, what was said was only between the two of them, it's not like he was parading the fact up and down the classroom that Kale had a dead father, like my sister's teacher paraded in front of the entire classroom that my sister had DIVORCED PARENTS (back when it was very unpopular) so not to make fun of her for having DIVORCED PARENTS even though she was about the only child in the school who had DIVORCED PARENTS. If the teacher had done something like that I'd say hell yeah, knock his head off, but he didn't. -
garrettok31 — 14 years ago(June 24, 2011 05:09 PM)
I think the real issue here is that 80% of teachers are bitter pricks who take apathy in class as a personal insult to their integrity. Who gives a flying cow patty whether some twerp did their homework? Flunk his ass, let his guidance counselor deal with him if he doesn't care. Forcing him to care by berating him is only going to make him push back.
EDIT: Not to mention that it's not like his dad got an illness and then passed on, or he came home from school one day and his mom said his dad was in a car accident. He witnessed his father's death, and it seemed like it was probably pretty graphic, with the tires rolling over his face and everything. Basically the teacher was bringing up the most traumatic experience of Kale's life at that point, something the teacher probably in now way could possibly relate to. -
novastar_6 — 14 years ago(June 25, 2011 09:01 PM)
Well if Kale was so traumatized, why was he even in school and not living in a padded cell? If you can't cope with every day life, why go to school in the first place if you have no intention of doing any of the work for a whole year?
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bluepolkadotsxo — 14 years ago(July 31, 2011 05:10 PM)
Kale could have exercised more self-control in that situation but I agree with everyone who said that teacher was COMPLETELY out of line. I don't know if any of you have experienced losing a parent but it is one of the most painful experiences that anyone can go through- especially in Kale's circumstances- watching him die and feeling personally responsible for his death considering he was the one driving. He was probably still going through an intense grieving period and was too depressed to focus on much of anything. He didn't have his work done and then that teacher provoked him by making a comment about his father. It's not like the teacher simply said "you should have your work done" or even that whole "you don't know who you're dealing with" thing that was almost threatening and completely unprofessional.
The teacher got right up in his face in front of the entire class and humiliated him and then made a presumptuous comment about his father.
Also, I'm pretty sure the teacher was completely aware that his father was dead because he said "What WOULD your father think?" Not "What does your father think about this?" I'm not saying that Kale's reaction was necessarily right or the best way to handle it but I FIRMLY believe that what the teacher did was wrong. Period. Those of you saying Kale should have his work done & everything I somewhat understand (even though I more sympathize with Kale because of what he was going through) but saying the teacher didn't do anything wrong is ridiculous. -
Dextrousleftie — 14 years ago(October 22, 2011 07:00 PM)
I was horribly depressed for almost a year after my nephew died, and I was in college at the time. if a teacher had pulled that on me, I probably would have at least gotten into his face and screamed bloody murder at him, because what he did was completely inappropriate and wrong. He was deliberately being an ass rather than just(as somebody else said) flunking the kid and perhaps calling his mom about getting him some therapy. You simply don't get over something like that right away. You just don't. It takes years sometimes for you to come out of the darkness at the end of the tunnel when you experience a severe, traumatizing loss. That teacher should not have been teaching if he treats his students like that. He is supposed to be the adult in the room, not acting like a nasty little child.
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deweynoodle — 14 years ago(November 20, 2011 09:50 PM)
Legally, no, it was not okay to punch him. But I think the question here is if the teacher DESERVED to get punched in the face for what he said, and in my opinionyes. Way outta line with what he said. He could have said "What would your mom think?" But no, he refernced his dead father. And as someone else stated, he could have talked to Kale privately after class to let him know he needed to keep up with his homework. Instead he demonstrated extreme unprofessionalism and inappropriate-ness. He deserved to get punched in the face.
Side note, I DO think that Kale acted like a brat when dealing with his mom. She was hurt too, she lost her husband. I think he should have been nicer to her.
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mphsss — 14 years ago(December 08, 2011 12:40 PM)
I knew a teacher in high school who seemed to daily ridicule this kid I knew who I think was in special-ed classes and maybe had been in one of his classes, but anyway I personally felt he treated this kid like crapand went to levels no other staff member has ever done.
Now I'm generally very quiet but one day I was standing around with this kid and I went to put a dollar in the vending machine which I had gotten from someone else and which had previously not worked in another machine and again didn't now in this one. So the kid and I are talking in this hallway area outside the cafeteria and this teacher was like the most into telling people "Get back in the cafeteria." out of all the other teachers on lunch duty. And the kid and I are talking for a little bit.
So as I'm walking away he says to go back in the cafeteria and as I get further he goes "You may not be smart but you probably know how to use a vending machine". Now I assume he may have only said that because of the presence of this other guy, but for all I know he was actually saying it to me. And so completely out of character for my calm self I go "What the FUCH was that!"
To which several of the vice principal-type members of the administration respond negatively toward me and don't even seem to care that involved one of their teachers. Now I was just looking out for the kid because I got tired of listening to the dude bully him all the time.
And while they're talking to me he kinda stands off in the distance like a coward watching me get in trouble. I point directly at him explaining that it was in response to what one of their staff members said but they didn't really seem to care. They told me I was a senior and should know better than that! Apparently bullying someone with learning disabilities and challenging the intelligence of someone you don't even know and as a teacher is OK though!
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mphsss — 14 years ago(December 09, 2011 01:17 PM)
Wow I'm surprised this board is still active.
I think part of what pissed me off was he said that 2 days after I had taken the ACT, which is some sort of equivalent to SATs. And I knew I didn't do so well because I left much of the math and science portions blanktook it as a senior, had been 18 months since I'd done algebra!
However, I did discover that I was more advanced in English than 63% of students in the U.S. That part was fun.