I kind of felt uneasy watching the Shooting scene
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inanebreakdwns — 18 years ago(July 24, 2007 06:55 PM)
I don't think the music was to make the shooting seem inconsequential, but rather to help transition into the different world that she was shooting everyone in. It also emphasize the extent of her illness. The whole thing helps flesh out her insanity, along with the beginning of the movie when she cuts open her wrist, and all the times when her toes lit up. It all adds a visual dimension. Rather than simply being told she is insane, we SEE that she is insane.
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Zarathustras_Crown — 15 years ago(December 07, 2010 04:12 PM)
Butthey WERE inconsequentialthey were imaginaryhonestly, listen to the soundtrack of the film, would heart-pounding action music like something from the Expendables or something really fit the atmosphere of the filmI dunno, it's a surreal rom-com so it just would sound messed up to suddenly start playing music like you would hear in the Lord of the Rings fight scenes or something.
Besides, I've always been bothered by the idea that an artist should have to be accountable for insane people taking their work out of context. Charles Manson was obsessed with the song Helter Skelter by the Beatles as well and claimed the lyrics in part led him to do what he didbut honestly, should the Beatles be held accountable because some messed up, out of his mind, nutjob listened to their music? The guy was an insane, head-case (both the killers mentioned in the thread are)even if he had seen this movie its no different than the people who freaked out because they found some dungeons and dragons books in a suicide victims room claiming D&D was of the devil and led the person to commit suicide.
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IndianaDynamite — 18 years ago(July 02, 2007 07:20 PM)
It was NEVER made clear that the VT shooter was a fan of Park Chan Wook. It was an assumption made by some worker at a news station after looking at that hammer pic of Cho, and since the shooter was Korean, everyone assumed that Cho loved OldBoy.
I'm sorry if I sound insensitive, but I just wanted to clear that up.
And I understand your concern, yet I highly doubt that Park Chan Wook would idolize Cho in his flick.
Have you, by any chance, ever seen his vengeance trilogy?
Park doesn't glorify violence as being the highest form of self-expression, or anything of the like.
It is blatantly obvious that Park expresses the sheer FUTILITY of violence by demonstrating the downfall of the characters after they have "satiated" their thirst for revenge. OldBoy and Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance beautifully demonstrate this.
Now, mind you, I am not defending Cho. I am absolutely repulsed by his actions, and my heart truly goes out to the families of the victims.
I just loathed how Park Chan Wook got mixed up with someone like Cho.
I mean no disrespect whatsoever with my post. And I totally understand your concern. I just wanted to clear this up, and hope that Park Chan Wook (my favorite director) and his career won't be tainted by this association with the VT shooter.
Love and peace!
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crapper — 18 years ago(July 26, 2007 01:32 PM)
IndianaDynamite:
Yes, I was really upset when the news starts to point out that Park Chan Wook was connected to Cho. Oldboy is my favorite movie and to hear that on the news shocked me. They reported that Cho would watch Oldboy many times per week. I dont think Oldboy influenced him at all. Its just stupid to think that way.
Also I have seen every film Park has made even his short films. Park does base his characters on downfall rather than extreme violence, you should see his Short Judgement it really takes in to affect of what you said. -
NNY_EMS — 18 years ago(July 25, 2007 07:16 PM)
Why does it even matter that Cho was korean and therefore might like Park Chan Wook?
Even in the bible theres people killing each other for no reason what so ever all the time, so why even bother giving it much thought that where he's from had any influence on his actions. Crazy people come in all races. This does not exclude the US, which btw is the only country in the world found guilty of supporting terrorism in a court. -
maxwelldemin — 18 years ago(August 03, 2007 08:06 AM)
It doesn't matter, it was just an irresponsible, racist bit of speculation on the part of a professor at the school. He assumed because Cho posed with a hammer in ONE picture he sent the media, that he must have seen Oldboy because of the fight scene with the hammer. And of course because he was Korean he had to have watched Oldboy, right? How ridiculous is that? Not to mention the fact that the killing spree was committed with guns and there was no excessive use of gun violence in Oldboy. Because he was Korean he couldn't be influenced by the over the top GLORIFIED gun violence in American blockbusters (and John Woo films of course)? What people need to realize is sometimes things just happen, People just snap. They've been doing for thousands of years, before TV and movies. It can't always be explained away so easily.
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QueenNadine — 18 years ago(August 31, 2007 03:13 AM)
It was made clear that the VT Shooter Cho was a fan of Park Chan Wook<<
It was in its hole (pardon the French). A blogger posted one of Cho's pictures next to an image from Oldboy, that's it. No entity of the professional press even made the link because it's so silly, and there is absolutely nothing to support it.
I finally saw the film last night and found it absolutely delightful, including the shooting scene. The imagination!
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miffo — 15 years ago(December 03, 2010 05:11 AM)
Yeah, same thing here.
I only imagined how it would look like from a "real world perspective". Her going from room to room, standing in the doorway and shaking a bit for a few moments.
That image just made me laugh, but there is of course a serious side to the whole deal, so I understand people getting a bit upset by it.
What I dont really understand is that they start a discussion about it in the board on this movie though, when there are litteraly thousands of other movies depicting over violence with guns without any serious consequences without any of these discussions. That kinda boggles my mind a bit.
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haewatein — 17 years ago(November 23, 2008 07:25 AM)
Could someone explain to me who "Cho" and this "VT Shooter" are?
Did I miss something important?
Are you guys talking about a film or some real massacre?
I personally thought the shooting scene in I'm a Cyborg but that's OK was totally funny, hilarious!
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psdhart — 15 years ago(May 31, 2010 02:44 AM)
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samsblood — 15 years ago(December 25, 2010 12:02 AM)
Crapper and ajy1, the statistics speak otherwise. I think, since millions of people all over the world watched and enjoyed his movies, and did not go out and kill people, Park ChanWook should be given a medal for PREVENTING violence.
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hathor008 — 14 years ago(March 23, 2012 03:05 AM)
seriously? it's a big stretch to correlate a scene from a movie like this with an actual shooting. you might as well claim that people get into car accidents because of car crash scenes in action movies.
Reality is subjective.