This movie is anti-russian propaganda.
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casemon — 17 years ago(August 18, 2008 06:07 PM)
http://www.imdb.com/board/10800241/board/nest/115187614?d=115187614#115187614
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TheAdlerian — 17 years ago(August 21, 2008 06:09 PM)
Eastern Europeans are frequently, almost always portrayed as nuts in films. That's for two reasons, the first I won't mention, the second is due to a lack of creativity on the part of writers. They fall back on cold war ideas much like we still see Germans as Nazis although that was several generations ago.
I've been to Eastern Europe a variety of times and the people are very quiet and keep to themselves. In some countries at 2 AM lovers stroll around holding hands.
I felt a thousand times safer than in Philly, where I live. -
casemon — 17 years ago(August 21, 2008 06:18 PM)
TheAlderian, considering you are someone who has spent time in eastern europe and is able to see through general propaganda, what is your position on how eastern europeans are portrayed in Transsiberian? It wasn't clear to me in your reply.
Also would be interested if mathias-41 (the OP) replied to my link post above -
TheAdlerian — 17 years ago(August 21, 2008 09:19 PM)
I was checking to see feedback about the film which will start in Philly later today.
After I see it, I will return.
Meanwhile, my comment was about the film industry in general. The news media also enjoys presenting EEs as some threat, which is ridiculous. -
casemon — 17 years ago(August 21, 2008 09:57 PM)
You make a very relevant statement especially in regards to the media, given the massive & disgusting propaganda campaign currently being waged against Russia regarding Georgia.
I haven't seen such blatant & far reaching distortions for many years. It's clear to me that Israel and the US / NATO sure need an enemy (real or imagined) to justify their actions.
It is part of why I take interest in this topic on this film. So yes, please come back to us after you've seen the film, I would appreciate your thoughts on the matter. -
CorumJI — 17 years ago(October 19, 2008 04:00 PM)
You make a very relevant statement especially in regards to the media, given the massive & disgusting propaganda campaign currently being waged against Russia regarding Georgia.
Yeah, right.
Russia invades Georgia
, so as to do two things:- Point out to Europe what happens if it gets too cozy with the former client states of Russia.
- Substantially retain Russian control over European gas and oil contracts by beating the crap out of the competition.
Funny, the USA is directly threatened (repeatedly) by Iraq/Saddam, and it's "Unilateral action" by the USA which gets decried by all the lefties.
Russia invades a small, helpless neighbor
which is making no threats of any kind
and it's "What? You got a problem wit' dat?"
It's clear to me that Israel and the US / NATO sure need an enemy (real or imagined) to justify their actions.
Yeah,
invading another soveriegn nation which represents no threat at all to another state
. Naw. No threat at all!! That's just the US, NATO, and Israel(!?!?!) which are somehow "creating a threat from nothing".
AH!
I think I see what your problem is.
Look, everyone! He's gotten his cranium stuck so far up his rectal orifice it's coming back out the top. Impressive feat, that. I would've thought it physically impossible, but somehow he's managed it.
Yeesh.
You know, you might want to see some scientists about that condition of yours. It might lead to some interesting new insights into dimensional physics if they can figure out how you managed it.
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casemon — 17 years ago(October 19, 2008 04:22 PM)
You make a good point, though I don't think it's the one you intended to make:
Propaganda works because propaganda works.
The reality in Georgia is that South Ossetia asked Russians to protect them after the fall of the soviet empire (a treaty which has existed since around 1996) and Georgia invaded South Ossetia (to help their American and Israeli natural gas "friends") to which Russia offered aid to South Ossetia to follow the previous treaty. To paint Russia as the aggressor here is ludicrous and without any base in reality.
Your comments on Iraq are not even worth responding to. You DO know that Americans armed Saddaam in the 80's right? That is public record, you should at least know that
For someone so quick to mention heads & orifices you do a pretty good impersonation. Maybe next time you'll look into the matter from sources that have no vested interested in lying to you.
Then again, maybe not (it is hard to get people to see through the lies they are told when they want to believe them). -
demon-xp — 17 years ago(October 19, 2008 04:35 PM)
Duh, I see that there's much progress in Russia nowadays.
Mental institutions have internet already. Alleluiah.
Statistically, dudes, how many Russians are there in Osetia?
Russia gave out passports there like Lenin was giving out bread coupons without stock cover.
EU getting cozy? Have you gone completely bonkers?
What's EU got to do with it? Russia is trying to get hands on Azerbaijan's gas to sell to the Polacks, and to prevent supplies for the planned NABUCO.
And who the heck gives a beep what Russia says - yes, there will be Missile Defense System in the North and in the South. Possibly, Georgia one day soon.
By the way, with the current oil & gas price how much time will have Russians oil companies before falling down? Not much, huh? -
casemon — 17 years ago(October 19, 2008 04:43 PM)
You must feel so good to hate as you do, to willfully ignore the truth because the lies coincide with your own prejudices. And of course, no one should question America's global forced-hegemony right? Despite the fact that is the leading cause of terrorism in the world today (and has been for the past 60 years).
I feel sorry for you (too bad my pity doesn't help you). -
casemon — 17 years ago(October 19, 2008 05:11 PM)
Thanks for showing your true colors here, I can tell I got a rise out of you (wink).
Of course you don't know about American 'black' programs (later revealed). Operation Paperclip (like Nazis much?), or Iran-Contra, or MKULTRA (one of many against America's own citizens?) or American support of countless brutal regimes to combat democratically elected leaders (let's see Nicaragua, Panama, Guatemala, El Salvador, Cuba, Haiti the list continues.)
But of course, instead you remember only an out-of-context shoe-banging incident; a response to wrongful accusation of Russia as colonial / nation building, despite the fact Americans have had FAR more success in this regard, due to increased effort & dedication on America's part.
No, instead of a solid rebuttal, all you can do is point and laugh at the shoe, because any serious attempt to respond would reveal the truth (face it). Your ignorance makes you very predictable (sorry, it's true).
For the record, America has sold and continues to sell more weapons to hostile countries than any other in the history of the world. This is fact (look it up?).
"The United States last year (2005) provided nearly half of the weapons sold to militaries in the developing world, as major arms sales to the most unstable regions many already engaged in conflict grew to the highest level in eight years, new US government figures show." from a non-partisan study performed in 2006 (Congressional Research Service).
Maybe in the future you'll grow enough as a human being to see the truth for what it is, and not just carry forth the lies you are told (then again, maybe not?) -
casemon — 17 years ago(December 25, 2008 08:44 AM)
You obviously know nothing of South Ossetia, claiming they are Georgian; they declared independence from Georgia over 17 years ago. You should try getting your news from non-US sources, say from actual South Ossetians.
Here's a nice mix for ya:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTorXbca6v0
I'd think a smart person like you would want to know when they are being lied to
Then again, maybe you prefer it this way? The lies make reality go down easier, like baby needs milk for sleepy! -
zap644 — 17 years ago(December 27, 2008 10:33 PM)
I'll admit I'm no expert, but South Ossetia IS a part of Georgia and is not recognized as an independent country. You should not assume I get all my news from US sources (especially since I don't), but if you believe the Russian version without question then you're being more than a bit naive.
I'm not going to click on a youtube link for information on this issue. If you get your news from youtube, well, there's not much more to say to you.
I know quite a bit more than you think. -
casemon — 17 years ago(December 27, 2008 11:27 PM)
So dismissive & yet so many assumptions! Clearly you're not interested in learning new things.
For one, youtube is convenient means of sharing some content, not a source of news. It is obviously used in this tradition (did you even watch the link?)
For two, ask a South Ossetian whether their independence is recognized. You have a very Georgian view (and much of the west supports this view, because Georgia wants to sell natural gas).
Do some research and you'll find the majority of South Ossetians do not want Georgian rule (which was taken by force).
There is no "russian version" in this you have South Ossetia signing an official treaty with Russia for protection by Russia from Georgia; an official treaty that has been in effect for over 15 years!
Georgia invades South Ossetia and Russia follows the treaty then in Western news sources, they revive "the sleeping bear" / communist propaganda and say Russia is the invader; meanwhile Israeli forces are inside South Ossetia and crossing into Georgia to "secure" the building a conduit for energy. Wake up man!
Really to see this any other way, you have to work hard to ignore facts. -
zap644 — 17 years ago(January 04, 2009 01:45 PM)
Did I stutter? I'm not going to view a YouTube link to get information - for one thing, I'd rather read facts than watch propaganda or RickRolls.
And now it's Israeli forces inside SO - silly me - I thought they were busy dodging rockets fired from Gaza by Hamas.
What's next? Are you going to claim Bush's daughters are committing "genocide" against South Ossetians?
People like you are not as amusing or convincing as you'd like to believe.