Can people at least agree Jessie was justified.. (spoiler)
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bing-57 — 16 years ago(July 31, 2009 10:20 AM)
Jessie signed no "contract" - that's your perception of the situation (which, applause most rapists would have in common with you, no doubt) and Carlos', toonot the law's.
So, can I take it that you support "dine and dash" food service?
At the restaurants I go to, they seat you and serve you food without any kind of contract. You are expected to pay at the end of your meal. I guess you don't follow the same rules and rush out of the restaurant shouting, "Suckers! You got no contract on me!"
You seem to be a person that only follows through with a deal if the other person has a signed contract and holds your feet to the fire.
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eyesky — 16 years ago(July 31, 2009 10:18 PM)
I won't legitimise your smug and entirely irrelevant "restaurant" analogy by continuing - it's surely beyond your capacity to offer me anything else (you addressed only a single line of mine!), so you're no longer worth any of my time. I look forward to receiving a snarky response from you that I'll promptly ignore!
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bing-57 — 16 years ago(August 01, 2009 09:29 AM)
I won't legitimise your smug and entirely irrelevant "restaurant" analogy by continuing
Yup. I figured you'd have no way to reply to that.
I look forward to receiving a snarky response from you that I'll promptly ignore!
Here ya go then. Feel free to ignore it and be as ignorant as you want to be. It's a free country.
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cheepnis — 16 years ago(August 09, 2009 07:55 PM)
I'm still not totally convinced. Can you give me another example where daily social behavior legitimizes rape? Like how if you give up your seat on the bus you are essentially agreeing to a dirty sanchez? Or when you take a penny from that tray at 7-11 you imply consent to administer a rusty trombone
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bing-57 — 16 years ago(August 09, 2009 08:11 PM)
What the heck are you talking about? Go back and read my replies very slowly this time. They talk about breaking agreements between people.
If you want a Cleveland Steamer or a Hot Lunch, look elsewhere.
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bing-57 — 16 years ago(September 08, 2009 09:20 AM)
Comparing a rape to lunch in a restaurant.can't say I've heard that one before.
That wasn't the point. The point is people making agreements and then breaking them. Since you don't quite understand that point, I must assume that you are a habitual agreement breaker. You get what you want and then you are outta there.
Have you been turned down by women quite a lot in your life?
Not even close. Try again.
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cheepnis — 16 years ago(September 12, 2009 08:15 PM)
"Have you been turned down by women quite a lot in your life?
Not even close. Try again."
Well here's a try
Bing-57 doesn't get turned down because he doesn't ask girls out, he has them become "contractually obligated."
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bing-57 — 16 years ago(September 13, 2009 01:20 AM)
Bing-57 doesn't get turned down because he doesn't ask girls out, he has them become "contractually obligated."
Actually, if you read your history books, you'll find that for the first tens of thousands of years of civilization, women were sold to men under contract. It's only in the last couple hundred years that that has changed. Look up the word "dowry" sometime.
In any case, you are still way off. Nice try, though.
(I know I shouldn't keep feeding the troll, but I can't resist)
If you think I am a troll, you must not get out very much and have no idea what an internet troll really is.
I am just pointing out the reality of the situation and many people simply don't want to hear it. If a woman goes into the wilderness in a strange country with a strange man and then agrees to sexual contact with him and then suddenly tries to back out at the last minute, she's gonna get raped and killed.
That's a fact that no amount of touchy-feely woman power is going to change no matter how many people wish and pray that it wasn't true.
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acerock1999 — 16 years ago(December 03, 2009 09:32 PM)
I just wanted to say that your posts are some of the craziest things I have ever read on the internet. I am legitimately disturbed. You should probably invest in some psychiatric counseling.
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bing-57 — 16 years ago(December 04, 2009 01:18 AM)
I just wanted to say that your posts are some of the craziest things I have ever read on the internet. I am legitimately disturbed.
Thank you. You should be disturbed. This is the way real life is and it is not very pretty. It is very easy to sit in your comfy chair at home and pretend that life is fair and that everyone does the right thing all the time.
But the fact is that reality is rather ugly and most people never even notice how disturbing it really is.
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acerock1999 — 16 years ago(December 04, 2009 03:52 PM)
This is absolutely not the way real life is. I don't know why I'm even going to bother, but if I can prevent a handful of rapes I guess it's worth it:
Women have sex because they enjoy it, not to pay you back for feeding them. They can actually get their own food. The point of a date is not an exchange of food for sexual favors.
Now, in the future, you can cap off a date with a simple kiss goodnight, rather than demanding that she either pleasure you or pay for half of dinner. This slight alteration can improve your chances of getting a second date. With time, you might come to realize that women are actually people. You might even meet one that wants to have sex with you. For free!
However, I understand this might be a little complicated. For your purposes, you might want to familiarize yourself with the concept of prostitution. You can actually skip the middleman of buying dinner, and instead exchange money directly for sex. You also whittle away some of the uncertainty of whether your "investment" will pay off.
Pick one of those two options, but either way, you're going to have to stop treating normal social encounters as "sexual contracts." This will spare any of the future women you date that awkward moment when you tell her what you expect in return for dinner, and, if this movie taught us anything, it can spare you from having your head bashed in with a plank of wood in the Russian wilderness.
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bing-57 — 16 years ago(December 04, 2009 04:32 PM)
Women have sex because they enjoy it, not to pay you back for feeding them.
A few women, yes. Every man wishes that far more women would have sex just for the fun of it. But the reality of the world is that most women don't want to have as much sex as most men. And while dinner and a movie doesn't guarantee that the woman will have sex, that does create an imbalance of favors. Both parties realize that. If you don't believe that, you are quite naive.
you can cap off a date with a simple kiss goodnight, rather than demanding that she either pleasure you or pay for half of dinner.
It's never like that. But you know that, don't you? The agreement is a lot more subtle than that.
This slight alteration can improve your chances of getting a second date. With time, you might come to realize that women are actually people. You might even meet one that wants to have sex with you. For free!
So, this scenario looks like you are saying that the woman should be the sole determiner of if, when, and where the couple is going to have sex. And the man should just meekly pay for everything until the day the woman decides that the man had paid enough and she can dole out a little loving.
That's not "free" by anyone's definition. That's prostitution.
You can actually skip the middleman of buying dinner, and instead exchange money directly for sex.
That does speed up the process quite a bit, that's true. But the concept you describe in the previous paragraph is still the same; the man pays in cash and the woman pays in booty.
if this movie taught us anything, it can spare you from having your head bashed in with a plank of wood in the Russian wilderness.
Again, you are not seeing the real world with those rose-colored glasses on. In the real world, far more women get their heads smashed in for refusing sex than men get killed for trying to force sex on the woman.
If the movie was anything close to being a true story, the woman would be the dead one.
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cheepnis — 16 years ago(December 04, 2009 10:09 PM)
Man, you're still going at it! I love how you refute everything people have to say except the implications that you are a bitter little misogynistic virgin who lacks the ability interact, not to mention actually engage in a relationship with a woman. If you spent less time trolling in your mom's basement you may eventually meet, and even speak with an actual woman.
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bing-57 — 16 years ago(December 05, 2009 12:31 AM)
I love how you refute everything people have to say except the implications that you are a bitter little misogynistic virgin who lacks the ability interact, not to mention actually engage in a relationship with a woman.
Correct. I respond to ideas not insults.
There is no point in responding to insults since the other person knows darn well they made them up out of thin air and they wouldn't believe you anyway when you deny them.
But I do know that when people on the internet resort to insults, they have run out of ideas in the main discussion.
And since you can only think to repeat your insults, I can safely assume that we are done here.
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bing-57 — 14 years ago(April 25, 2011 08:47 AM)
Yet I doubt that you told her up front what exactly she was agreeing to.
Fair enough. If she is actually mentally challenged, as you seem to think, she may not understand that it is normal when one party pays for the date that they get to call the shots later in the evening. In that case, the woman's caretaker pays for her meal and everybody walks away.
But seriously, do you know any women that have never heard of the idea that a man will expect a little loving if he pays $50 or so for her to have a nice evening out?
Now if you told that woman that you are going to take her out on a date and that at the end of the date she is to have sex with you or get raped, I seriously doubt that any woman in her right mind would agree to that condition.
You've never heard of a prostitute or an escort? Okay, things are falling into place now. You seem like you've never come into contact with the real world.
contrary to your opinion, not all men think they deserve sex at the end of a date or would even expect it. It's a little thing called being a gentleman, something you know absolutely nothing about.
Heh. You are so very wrong. Yes, all men DO think they deserve sex at the end of every date. However, most of them most of the time don't press the issue and go home unsatisfied. They seem to hope that maybe next time, if they give her more expensive things and beg enough, she'll give in.
You make all men seem like rapists and they are not.
Deep inside, yes they are. Just like everyone really is a murderer and criminal. But the vast majority of people don't act on their criminal impulses for fear of the consequences.
You say that it is a FACT that if a woman goes out into the wilderness with a strange man and agrees to sex but backs out of it with the man that she will be raped. Um no that is not a fact you idiot!
Have you actually put your charmingly innocent hypothesis to the test? Do you not read the papers and see that women do get raped all the time when they knowingly put themselves in compromising situations (usually with alcohol)?
That is called a beep up sexist viewpoint.
Reality very often is beep up, yes.
I can only wonder how many women you've actually raped
Yup, all you can do is wonder and imagine the worst things possible about me. People often do demonize other people that they disagree with. It makes them feel that their own opinion must be the only right one.
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bing-57 — 14 years ago(April 25, 2011 01:44 PM)
I'm not talking about prostitutes here dumbass, that's a totally different thing. I'm talking about regular women who you go out on a DATE with
Is it really all that different? At least the prostitute is honest about the transaction. With a date you spend all the money first and then it is her choice whether you've spent enough.
And not all women expect or even want the man to pay for the date.
Where are these women?
When I go out on dates with men I just meet I pay for myself.
You are in a very small minority. Ask among your girlfriends whether this is common.
so beep you. Now go get some help. You're really pissing me off
Actually, you seem to be the unstable one in this discussion. You don't see me hysterically swearing at other people and demanding that they seek professional help just because they disagree with me.
I think you just need to say that all men are rapists to make yourself feel justified because you are in fact a rapist!
That, my friend, is libel and you and IMDB can be sued for writing that. Do you have any actual proof that I am a rapist or are you just knowingly making false statements because it makes you feel more secure in your rose-colored view of the world?
If you respect the law you will please retract your false and baseless statement.
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alioth4 — 14 years ago(March 31, 2012 05:18 AM)
">> I think you just need to say that all men are rapists to make yourself feel justified because you are in fact a rapist!
That, my friend, is libel and you and IMDB can be sued for writing that. Do you have any actual proof that I am a rapist or are you just knowingly making false statements because it makes you feel more secure in your rose-colored view of the world?"
Well, you just said that all men are, "deep inside":
">> You make all men seem like rapists and they are not.
Deep inside, yes they are. Just like everyone really is a murderer and criminal. But the vast majority of people don't act on their criminal impulses for fear of the consequences."
I.e. you said that I, as a man, am a rapist "deep inside". Are
you
a rapist "deep inside", with the law being the only thing that keeps you from doing it? I assume when you said "all men", you had to be speaking for yourself too (and really, you are the only one you
can
speak for).
I haven't actually heard such statements since the heydays of Political Correctness and radical feminism on college campuses in the 90s, and I recognized it for the bunk that it was then too. I have no desire to rape, my dick doesn't get hard at the prospect of rape, and if the woman doesn't want it then neither do I (I might be
disappointed
that she doesn't want it, but that's life sometimesbut I have no desire to actually go forward with it once that's indicated).