What the hell is this woman's problem? (Spoilers)
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amcrules — 13 years ago(July 15, 2012 11:20 AM)
And the key piece of evidence if anyone thought otherwise-he had a criminal past which included sexaul assault, if you guys caught that. He not only tried to rape her, he likely raped other women in the past if he had that record. Soooo bastard knew what he was doing and yes she was foolish to go alone with a man she did not know, but she did the right thing in defending herself. She should have been honest with her husband about it from the start though, it bugged me that she didn't.
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Gambit771 — 13 years ago(December 06, 2012 10:36 AM)
Did she know that when she murdered him?
No, so she was totally unjustified especially as how he didn't act like any rapist in any film I've seen. He chased her playfully and when he caught her he let her go. He got aggressive after he was hit repeatedly.
Maybe he would and maybe he wouldn't but given his actions at the time she overreacted. The whole scene was either badly written, badly acted or badly directed leaving it and her "self defence" very ambiguous. but given how everything about this film was sub-par I think it was a combination of all three. -
ScarlettLuc — 12 years ago(October 21, 2013 11:04 AM)
Murdering someone even in self-defense does not guarantee you won't go to jail. Especially in another country. I seem to be in the minority but I sympathized with Jessie the whole time. After she killed Carlos she was completely alone, without the support or guidance of her husband. I honestly don't know what I would do in that situation either. Especially considering that many women who strike back during sexual assault feel guilty (she did kiss him, she did go to the church with him-these are all things that a prosecutor would point out).
Once she got back to the train she had likely made the decision not to say anything. Once that decision is made it's hard to go back. It's like Grinko said, a lie can take you very far, but it can't take you back. -
gelliss — 13 years ago(January 06, 2013 10:03 PM)
The problem with her paranoia (and the movie) is it came and went. If she had been as paranoid going out in the middle of nowhere with Carlos, none of it would have happened. I mean, come on, some movies they practically hang a sign around someone's neck saying "douche bag". Carlos was one such character yet there she was going with him anyway.
Jessie was alternately portrayed as worldly while talking about her past then totally naive for going anywhere with Carlos. The whole scene where she kills him seemed like a lame plot device inserted to move things along where they needed it to go. It made no sense to me why she'd go out there with him in the first place. -
jk80 — 13 years ago(January 30, 2013 03:53 AM)
Agree with OP, terrible central character making poor decisions again and again and them compounding them with her lies. Carlos is clearly a bit louche and has tried it on with her, but hell it's a great idea to go off into the middle of nowhere with him! We're supposed to have sympathy with her plight but in my mind so much of it was of her own doing, just ridiculous.
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SofaOnWheels — 13 years ago(February 20, 2013 12:59 AM)
Clearly you all missed the story of the tourists who were jailed for 28 days for having their name spelt wrong on their Visa, as told by the Frenchman on the train.
Why would you dump a bag full of heroin in front of a cop? In a country like that, where they say innocent looking people were smuggling, why would they believe you.
Out of all the characters, Jesse made the most amount of sense and the most rational decisions. -
puirt-a-beul — 10 years ago(June 30, 2015 07:44 AM)
When she first discovered the dolls in her bag on-board the train (and it was no great surprise they were there; the only surprise was how she managed to pack without finding them earlier), I remember wondering why she didn't just show them to Grinko on the spot.
But then, Grinko was a pretty threatening character, who clearly couldn't be trusted, and Jessie had no way of proving that she wasn't a mule and didn't know about the drugs until Grinko told her about them. Even Carlos, when showing Jessie the dolls, hadn't mentioned they contained drugs although his mention of Amsterdam as the target market was perhaps a bit of a hint.
Her initial lies to Grinko doomed her forever, but he was never going to let her get away anyhow. I think that those who say her character's paranoia came and went really aren't looking at things through her character's perceptions. Several times, she thought she was safe or had resolved the situation, only to find her circumstances changed for the worse.
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Astrid2266 — 10 years ago(October 07, 2015 04:11 PM)
Her relationship with her husbandI don't think she loved him. She had a wild past and it probably got her into a lot of trouble. I think she went with and married her husband because she saw him as stable, as someone who would take care of her and save her from herself.
I think she went with Carlos because she was attracted to him and wanted to be alone with him. Then they started kissing and she panicked and tried to stop it. She panicked because she wanted to be with him and it frightened her. It would take her back to whatever her life was before her marriage and she was terrified of that happening. I believe that if a woman is being attacked, she has every right to defend herself but she was not justified in killing Carlos. He did not try very hard to try and force himself on her and even if that was his intention, she certainly incapacitated him enough to where she could have stopped short of killing him. She didn't kill him to defend herself. She did it because she was afraid of her husband finding out what she had been doing. Carlos kept saying to her "I will not hurt you." and I think he was being sincere and was trying to defuse the situation.
Carlos had a record of "sexual assault" but sexual assault isn't always rape.
The National Center for Victims of Crime states:[6]
Sexual assault takes many forms including attacks such as rape or attempted rape, as well as any unwanted sexual contact or threats. Usually a sexual assault occurs when someone touches any part of another person's body in a sexual way, even through clothes, without that person's consent "
Some forms of sexual assault are more minor than rape and it isn't spelled out that he was a rapist.
"The whole history of the world is the story of the struggle between the selfish and the unselfish" -
zee944 — 10 years ago(February 17, 2016 04:48 AM)
Her paranoia was perfectly realistic. She tried hard to get rid of the pack but she couldn't. Now that was unrealistic in the movie, but that's a different matter. Her paranoia was spot on considering she was forced to have the drugs in her pack.
Tell the damn truth? Ha-ha. Even if they believe you, you'll make yourself hell a lot further trouble. Questioning, paperwork, discarded plans etc. And they may not even believe you, and then you're screwed. In this case, when you could possibly be charged for murder everyone with a common sense would try to avoid telling anything to anyone.
We can find faults in the movie if we want, but Jessie's paranoia isn't one of them.