Oh COME ON! That cliche which happens in most movie, happened here too!!
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itstoohardtoreadmyname — 13 years ago(March 23, 2013 06:00 AM)
For those of you who are unclear, i am talking about the scene in the middle of the movie, where she has the gun in her hands inside the car, and instead of killing him she decided to tie him -_- Typical American movie.. She is worried that people will think she is a murderer instead of saving her own life. Instead of blowing his brains out and then running like hell, she decided to keep driving with him.. That's where i started hating this movie.
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film_maven-1 — 13 years ago(March 23, 2013 12:29 PM)
The only thing cliche about this is you sitting on your couch expecting every character in movies to act like Jason Bourne. In reality, a normal 20 year-old girl who has had a quiet, safe suburban upbringing, and thus has never seen a handgun in real-life (forget held or shot one) is NEVER gone to turn into Dirty Harry and start killing people in cold blood the instant a gun falls into her hands.
If the Driver had come at her and was attacking her in that same moment, then I would agree that she should have/would have shot him but the Driver was subdued and not an immediate threat. So bascially you're suggesting it's a cliche when an ordinary, non-violent young girl does not take the first opportunity to kill a defenseless person. That is absurd.
Moreover, there are plenty of documented cases of trained soldiers who inexplicably can't fire their weapon in a life-and-death combat situation, yet you're critisizing some vactioning hottie for not coming out guns blazing when her death is not even imminent? Silly.
Watch the end of Spielberg's SAVING PRIVATE RYAN, where a German soldier who has just killed a GI with a knife, casual strolls down the stairs past another GI who is frozen holding a rifle but is too afraid to use it. That is real life. People are human. Not machines. But I suppose to you, if that frozen GI were a pretty young girl suffering from motion-sickness after returning from a weekend vacation in Mexico, it would be a cliche if she didn't kill the German. -
itstoohardtoreadmyname — 13 years ago(March 25, 2013 12:52 AM)
Are you serious man? Under absolute pressure and stress EVERYBODY even Mother Teresa would have shot the guy. She knew her life was in danger, the guy HAD kidnapped them and shooting him was the only normal scenario at the case. Fine, she didn't want to shoot him because she was a suburban quiet girl, but why didn't she tie the guy and throw him off the car. I'm just saying that this movie as a whole was a cliche in general.
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film_maven-1 — 13 years ago(March 25, 2013 11:35 AM)
You're not making any sense. The Driver is sitting down, bleeding and defenseless. It's 4 against 1 at this point. And you honestly think a nice, young freshfaced suburban girl who spends all day on FB and Twitter and on her I-Phone is just going to double-tap him because the gun lands in her hands? That's cold blooded murder, no matter how you spin it. And she clearly wasn't okay with that.
Nothing cliche about humans reacting with their own sensability under pressure. But you think it's a cliche when anyone doesn't react in the most extreme way possible (what would be more extreme than your suggestion which ironically you feel is cliche?). You think a priest would have pulled the trigger? No. A pacifist? No. Someone who was scared, confused, ill, or not thinking clearly? No. Someone who didn't want to live the rest of their life dealing with the feeling of having killed someone when there may have been another way. No, probably not.
My point is there are many scenarios where people definitely would not under any circumstances pull the trigger. And a million more where it's not clear. A finally, scenarios where people may WANT to pull the trigger, but can't bring themselves to. There is a big difference between knowing something and doing it. She may have wanted to kill the guy, but couldn't do it for some unkown reason. There is nothing cliche about complex human emotions under stress. Which seems to be the point. -
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film_maven-1 — 13 years ago(March 28, 2013 12:29 AM)
Yeah, sure. You're Charles Bronson and Clint Eastwood all rolled into one, and ready to turn lethal at any moment that's why you're sitting on the couch juggling a remote control, a bowl of popcorn and a soda. The same reason you rush to the internet to proclaim how deadly you would be in real life. You go, super hero dude!
Come on, get real. Truth is unless you're a member of Seal Team 6, you're equally likely to soil yourself, shoot yourself in the foot, or flat out drop the gun, as you're likley to shoot the Driver in this situation. Stop acting like you're some all time bad*ss and admit that you don't have any idea how you would react in this situation, but in your fantasy world, you would terminate all comers in the blink of an eye.
Do you even know how to check a gun to see if the safety is on? Where the safety is? Because before you kill everyone in sight, you might want to do that. Oh, and bulletts too. You might need those. And try to avoid killing your friends, who are standing right beside him. -
Augustus_Octavian — 12 years ago(May 05, 2013 03:41 AM)
I think that you have made a very fair point about how such rich pampered girls may be hesitant to shot even a presumed serial rapist/killer.
But it doesn't mean that they shouldn't nonetheless be faulted for their lack of action. I mean, sure. We may understand why they are too weak to follow though, but we shouldn't give them a pass just like that either.
Shooting someone when they are shooting back is difficult. Shooting a serial killer when he isn't shooting back should have been easy. -
discostu2214 — 13 years ago(March 26, 2013 07:33 PM)
While I think Mel and Jules acted dumb in this movie, I don't really fault Mel for not shooting him. She didn't have any idea the other guy was working with the driver, and if he wasn't, it was a safe bet that they could get to a phone and call the cops to come arrest him.
Now Mel not telling the cashier about the kidnapping, now that was dumb. -
mike_cable — 12 years ago(May 25, 2013 07:40 AM)
I can see your point but I also consider that she may have never had exposure to such violence before and could never consider killing someone in any situation. Even if they fully deserved it and the stress levels and tension were up in everyone, killing someone would leave something in your mind for the rest of your life. You'll think about it every day, on top of what they did to you and everyone else.
It is a massive decision an action to end another person's life, to have that power and to do that to them, no matter who they are. I know it's just a movie, but she acted realistically and responsibly in my opinion, and I'd rather see him arrested and put on trial for everything he did.
It might be easier for someone who comes from a totally different background.