Conan: I would not have done the same to Leno
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a_l_i_e_n — 15 years ago(August 27, 2010 05:48 PM)
Yeah, it's the same kind of double standard I've noticed since this thing first hit the fan. It works like this: whatever Jay does is
BAD!
However, if Conan does something that seems similar, or, if we apply the same standard of responsibility to Conan's actions as we do Jay, then you're outta' line.
There's no need. Move along, folks. Nothin' to see here.
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djroomba — 15 years ago(April 30, 2010 04:27 AM)
Clearly you're some internet fighting loser whos just realised that, and has moved on but I'll leave you with some facts man. Conan wasn't declining at all. Conan's ratings were never the issue, only Jay's were. Conan was outperforming Letterman in the demo by alot consistently every night till Leno came back on. Conan's numbers were not low by any measure of the word anyway.
Besides, numbers don't matter in Late Night. If they did Jimmy Kimmel would have been off the air long ago. Nielson numbers only survey a small sample of people. They are not indicative of how many people are actually watching. Broadcast executives know this and expected Conan's numbers to be lower than Jay's because his younger audience is only partially included in the survey's numbers and is much more difficult to have a group of younger people watch the show live and at the same time. -
cjoklb — 15 years ago(April 29, 2010 09:21 PM)
Oh hi again, motallica. Taking another vacation from your high stress, time consuming job? Or were you able to squeeze in a few minutes just to make the groundless claim that Conan screwed over Lopez in the same way Leno screwed Carson, Letterman, and Conan? Good luck with that one.
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WesleyWeaver — 15 years ago(April 30, 2010 03:12 PM)
Before "The Jay Leno Show" aired, Conan's lead-in was repeats. Now I think lead-ins are stupid. But they seem to count. My sister told me that she read that the 10 o'clock hour on NBC is up 50% with the dramas back and guess how much Jay's Tonight Show is up? 50%! So lead-ins matter. Plus, Leno fans had no real need to watch Conan with Jay coming back in the Fall. So they probably gave him a very small chance, then didn't bother because they weren't impressed immediately and knew Leno would be back. Now why Jay's ratings were crap was because I assume even the Leno fans preferred watching dramas on the other channels. Maybe they all taped TJLS, which wouldn't count for the ratings.
Conan has come through this whole ordeal as a classy guy. I'm proud to be a fan of his. -
liquid_filmmaking — 15 years ago(April 30, 2010 05:23 PM)
Plus, Leno fans had no real need to watch Conan with Jay coming back in the Fall. So they probably gave him a very small chance, then didn't bother because they weren't impressed immediately and knew Leno would be back.
This is so basic that I don't understand why Leno defenders even argue it, unless they just enjoy being trolls. Myself and many others were saying all along that once Leno started pouting and demanded a new gig, that pretty much sabotaged Conan winning over the old audience. It pretty much showed a lack of faith from NBC in Conan, and Leno fans had no real impetus to watch Conan.
granted, Conan could have a done a better job as a host of Tonight Show and creating excitement. I think he tried with all the crazy stunts they were doing, but something wasn't clicking and it probably doesn't help that he was receiving very little support from NBC.
and why does rolltop keep giving us economic lectures, as if we all think COnan's show is some Muscular Dystrophy Telethon. Of course we realize it's a business, that's the main reason Leno got to keep the job, his contract would have hurt NBC way more. simple enough.
even Conan is acknowledging the business side of it, but that if he were in Leno's shoes and publicly handed over a show, he would have honored it. I happen to think Conan is being sincere on this. I imagine once you've had your time in the sun it's time to move on to other ventures. For Leno I think his main drive is being the most successful, profitable person possible, and he'll do whatever it takes to accomplish that.
and if you still want to work, yet just got dumped by your company, why stick around with that company and try to sabotage the new guy? why not just carry your act somewhere else that appreciates you more? that has been Letterman's point all along and Conan basically did it, by cutting all ties with NBC.
i suppose your argument that all is fair in business but I disagree, I still think that morals are important and being a shady business guy can come back to haunt you. -
cjoklb — 15 years ago(April 30, 2010 05:29 PM)
i suppose your argument that all is fair in business but I disagree, I still think that morals are important and being a shady business guy can come back to haunt you.
As someone who works in the business world, I know for a fact that taking the high road is good business practice. Everyone should read the excellent, and short, book "Winners Never Cheat" by Jon Huntsman. This is a self made billionaire who believes in honesty and ethics and explains how the cut throat, kill or be killed style of business is toxic for a business. -
Housden — 15 years ago(May 24, 2010 02:15 PM)
Check out this wild video posted on youtube about the real Jay Leno. From what I can tell Leno pulls dirty tricks and back door deals to get what he wants so he was planning to take the show back from Conan the whole time. The animation rocks!!
Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5zP7_C2Fjk