"All the lives he ruined"???
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The_Ultimate_Hippo — 9 years ago(September 24, 2016 09:00 PM)
The truth is Walt didn't hurt anyone who didn't deserve it. Hank was just bitter because Walt was more of a man than he was. Watching him get his ass owned by Jack and the Nazis was so satisfying and it meant a lot to me. F-cking pig deserved to die, painfully.
"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine -
vinnytimmler — 9 years ago(September 24, 2016 09:04 PM)
Wow seems like you missed the whole point of Breaking Bad buddy. It really is true what they say about you Hippo you are an ignorant one. Walt was a despicable character even the writer of the show hated his character by the end of the show's run.
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The_Ultimate_Hippo — 9 years ago(September 24, 2016 09:16 PM)
No, Walt is the hero, he did what was right for other people even when they didn't appreciate him. Hank was an absolute scumbag monster. He only cared about himself and was even willing to harm innocent children so he could get his promotion. I was glad that he died but I have said this for a while Uncle Jack was WAY TOO EASY on him. First of all I would have bust out a can of salt and poured the entire thing in his wound, then busted out some jumper cables and had some fun with his nipples and testicles. I'd laugh and tease him the entire time, "oh what's the matter Mr. Tough Guy? Do you feel a little sting there big boy?, awww does it hurt?", LOL. Then after he begs me to kill him I'd slice his nuts off, force him to eat them then douse him in gasoline and light him up. It would be so much fun.
"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine -
lief_peterson — 9 years ago(September 24, 2016 09:28 PM)
Lol sorry buddy
You're right thoughhank was a piece of sh!t. I used to be pulling for him a bit until rabid dog when he (spoilers) was willing to let Jesse get killed when he sent Jesse to meet him in the plaza. He did some slimeball stuff before in the way he dealt with criminals, but him hoping that Jesse would possibly get killed meeting Walt just so he could get it on camera made me really hate him.
However, I was never rooting for hank to get Walt. I was team Walt all the way to the end. Any love I had for hank was officially gone after that move. -
dmcreif — 9 years ago(September 25, 2016 08:00 AM)
No, Walt is the hero, he did what was right for other people even when they didn't appreciate him.
You mean, he only did what he could to satisfy his own ego. Walt stopped having other people's interests in mind when he rejected Gretchen and Elliot's help. Just a few episodes before that, he found himself in a very difficult situation where his family was at risk. He had to kill a man to protect his family. What excuse can there be for continuing in that line of business when there was another way out? Once Walt rejected Gretchen and Elliot, he chose his ego and pride over his family and their safety. That's the point where cooking meth became more about himself than providing for the family. That was just a lie he told himself to justify his actions.
Hank was an absolute scumbag monster. He only cared about himself and was even willing to harm innocent children so he could get his promotion.
You keep coming back to this "Hank was only interested in a promotion" thing. It wasn't about "getting a promotion", he wanted to put a guy in prison who he had been after for over a year. He already had a promotion: He was already the ASAC by the time he discovered Walt was Heisenberg. And speaking of that ASAC promotion, Hank never wanted or pushed for it in the first place. In fact, everytime the talk of promotion came up in the series up to that point, he found himself rallying against it. Hank went out to El Paso reluctantly, and then refused to further his career by going back later in the series (sending Gomez in his place). He also couldn't stand the promotion to the Albuquerque field office ASAC because he was a street guy, not a desk jockey. Never does Hank talk positively about chasing a promotion. He accepted offer begrudgingly because Marie would kill him if he didn't. See, if Hank moving up the chain of command was anyone's dream in the show, it was Marie. She was the only one wanting to eventually end up in DC. And Hank felt like his career would be over if anyone found out about his association with Heisenberg. In fact, he played the entirety of season 5 completely off the books. Pretty much walks the finest line of actually getting himself out of the DEA because he refuses to let Walt get away with his crimes. He put his career on the line to bring him to justice.
Plus Hank had every reason to care about himself: he told Walt all about Heisenberg and Gus. Especially so as Hank was having Walt drive him around, including to some of his stakeouts. All that time, Walt knew everything and just lied straight to Hank's face. How could Hank not be angry about that? Walt had lied him in the face like it was nothing and endangered Hank's career and life on multiple occasions. At that point, Hank knew that Walt was a dangerous criminal at this point and needed to be put away.
I was glad that he died but I have said this for a while Uncle Jack was WAY TOO EASY on him. First of all I would have bust out a can of salt and poured the entire thing in his wound, then busted out some jumper cables and had some fun with his nipples and testicles. I'd laugh and tease him the entire time, "oh what's the matter Mr. Tough Guy? Do you feel a little sting there big boy?, awww does it hurt?", LOL. Then after he begs me to kill him I'd slice his nuts off, force him to eat them then douse him in gasoline and light him up. It would be so much fun.
What is with you? Why do you keep coming back to wanting to see weird rape or torture scenarios involving Jesse? Why do you keep thinking you're some kind of mafioso tough guy and believe it's wrong to rat on on a criminal that has brought so much pain and destruction to so many people? Only criminals themselves see ratting as a bad thing. And people with actual morals do not care about violating some silly criminal code like "don't rat on things". Because, yeah, Jesse himself had been involved in a lot of heinous things, but in the process, he grew a moral compass and made the decision to do the right thing. Plus, Jesse never actually ratted out Walt. Hank had already figured it out, and after Jesse found out about Walt using Brock to manipulate him into killing Gus he no longer felt any sense of loyalty to him. Why should he have? Walt had proven himself to be a selfish, manipulating bastard.
Another thing: you want to subject Jesse to that sort of torture for being "a rat". So why don't you call for Walt to be subject to a similar fate for something like, say, killing Mike or Gus? -
The_Ultimate_Hippo — 9 years ago(September 25, 2016 01:34 PM)
Walt was never doing it to satisfy his own ego he was doing it to make sure that his family had the money that they needed after he was gone. He never intended to use the money for himself he was always thinking of his children and his bitch of a wife. He loved his family so much he was willing to put himself through hell all to make sure they were taken care of after he was gone, that shows how noble he was.
Hank absolutely did want a promotion, he wanted to walk into the DEA office and brag about how he was better than the great Heisenberg, well fortunately things didn't work out that way because Todd and Jack's army absolutely owned him like a bitch and gave him probably the most disgraceful death imaginable and it was amazing. The world is definitely a better place because that fat pig Hank Shrader is gone and not only that his self righteous, hypocritical bitch wife Marie has to live the rest of her life knowing that Walt was the better man. Now I understand being ambitious, I understand wanting to move up in the workplace but when you ruin the lives of innocent children to get there that is just plain evil. I have no problem with him wanting to bring Mike and Walt to justice for what they did but he was going to steal the inheritance of little children and leave them in the poorhouse all so he could rub it in the faces of Walt and Mike, that is pure evil. Walt risked his life on several occasions to save Hank, another act of nobility.
I was talking about Hank and yes he deserved to die the most painful death possible and I would have been there laughing and spitting on him as Hank cried and begged for death only to assure him that it wasn't going to happen for a very long time and that he was going to have to endure a lot more pain and suffering. After his fingers were cut off he would have begged to tell me everything, after his balls were cut off he'd kiss my ass to kill him.
"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine -
dmcreif — 9 years ago(September 25, 2016 03:02 PM)
Do you have some sort of Walt Worship Syndrome and that makes it hard for you to see anything outside of Walt's view?
Walt was never doing it to satisfy his own ego he was doing it to make sure that his family had the money that they needed after he was gone. He never intended to use the money for himself he was always thinking of his children and his bitch of a wife. He loved his family so much he was willing to put himself through hell all to make sure they were taken care of after he was gone, that shows how noble he was.
I'll quote Walt's last conversation with Skyler, where he admitted, "I did it for me. I liked it. I was good at it. And I was really I was alive."
See, Walt put his family's fate entirely in his control, and control, power, was what really turned Walt's crank, not "family." Walt's actions demonstrated contempt for "family." His actions were self-serving and arrogant, fundamentally a direct attack on what he claimed to value most. He demeaned the very idea of "family," thinking of it as a kind of cheering section, a means to an end, that end being gratifying his egoistic image as hero-provider. Otherwise, "family" were inconvenient. That's why he consistently manipulated and exploited them.
Hank absolutely did want a promotion, he wanted to walk into the DEA office and brag about how he was better than the great Heisenberg, well fortunately things didn't work out that way because Todd and Jack's army absolutely owned him like a bitch and gave him probably the most disgraceful death imaginable and it was amazing. The world is definitely a better place because that fat pig Hank Shrader is gone and not only that his self righteous, hypocritical bitch wife Marie has to live the rest of her life knowing that Walt was the better man. Now I understand being ambitious, I understand wanting to move up in the workplace but when you ruin the lives of innocent children to get there that is just plain evil. I have no problem with him wanting to bring Mike and Walt to justice for what they did but he was going to steal the inheritance of little children and leave them in the poorhouse all so he could rub it in the faces of Walt and Mike, that is pure evil. Walt risked his life on several occasions to save Hank, another act of nobility.
You still can't let go of this "Hank was after a promotion" BS. That was never the case.
"I have no problem with him wanting to bring Mike and Walt to justice for what they did but he was going to steal the inheritance of little children and leave them in the poorhouse all so he could rub it in the faces of Walt and Mike, that is pure evil." Ever heard of Son of Sam Laws, which basically forbid a criminal from profiting off their crimes. Besides, it wouldn't be Hank's authority to seize that money, that's the government's decision.
"Walt risked his life on several occasions to save Hank, another act of nobility."
In the pilot Walt goes on a ride-along with Hank. Hank assumes it's because he's taking an interest in his work. Walt's real purpose is to learn about the meth trade because he's thinking of cooking. Hank has told him these guys make a lot of money in a short time. Walt, ace opportunist, even lets Jesse escape so he can blackmail him later. So, right from the beginning major abuse of trust of two people.
Walt also had a major indirect involvement in Hank being shot. Gus sent the Cousins after Hank to preserve his golden goose. Had Walt not been involved in this violent and often lethal criminal enterprise, Hank would not have been attacked by the Cousins. That is fact.
In fact, it was Skyler who saved Hank's ass after his shooting by paying his medical bills, pressuring Walt to concede to the plan. It was a plan that pinched Walt's pride, and he begrudged it before, during, and after its implementation. If not for Skyler, Walt would have sacrificed Hank for the sake of his ego. Walt's calling off the Neo-Nazis and pleading for Hank's life does not mitigate his betrayal of trust in the slightest.
And Hank went for Walt after discovering his horrendous betrayal of himself and family, including his putting the whole family in severe jeopardy in multiple ways, all the crimes he'd committed such as planting a bomb in a nursing home, and Walt's extreme exploitation of him that threatened to end his career. On and on and on. That is sufficient reason to try to bring Walt to justice.
Zealous Walt-worship is why you aren't able to accept that the context of Hank's wish to bring Walt down after discovering not only his horrendous betrayal of himself and family, not only putting the whole family in severe jeopardy in multiple ways, but also all the crimes he'd committed, such as planting a bomb in a nursing home is different than Walt's wish to try and prevent harm to Hank due to his involvement in the criminal drug trade that caused all these horrors in the first place.
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izzy520i — 9 years ago(September 26, 2016 06:25 AM)
Ozymandias
Hank Schrader: [to Walt, as Jack has a gun pointed at him] You're the smartest guy I ever met but you're too stupid to see He made up his mind ten minutes ago.
Ozymandias
Hank Schrader: My name is ASAC Schrader and you can go beep yourself.
Felina
Skyler White: If I have to hear one more time that you did this for the family
Walter White: I did it for me. I liked it. I was good at it. And I was really I was alive.
Good posts
dmcreif
(your 2 previous posts) and very well said.
The 3 quotes above really says everything- Walt admitting he did it all for himself, Hank admitting Walt's brilliance but yet also telling him his ignorance, and Hank going out on a high.
The Ozymandias shootout scene was bordering on illogical since there was no way the neo-nazis could have missed Hank and Gomez, but I suppose it was to set-up for Hank to have his last words, in which case is acceptable. -
dmcreif — 9 years ago(September 25, 2016 03:04 PM)
In fact, I have a name for people like you: "Keyboard Heisenbergs". They are people who idolize criminal characters and want
Breaking Bad
to resemble a Grand Theft Auto game. They are nave to the ways of the world, speak in criminal speak, utilize words like "snitch", "rat" and "pig" as if they are casual words that they use all the time, they all 100% support Walt in his actions and believe him to be a saint, and probably say things like "I am the one who knocks" and "Say my name" to their own reflection in the mirror to sound like a tough guy. -
dmcreif — 9 years ago(September 25, 2016 09:38 PM)
"He's in fact, the monster, the cancer, if you will, that's destroying her and her family We do not celebrate Walter White. Hes a creep, at this point
"You can have a main character like Walter White or Tony Soprano or Don Draper, someone who does questionable things, but since they are the protagonist you can't help but see the world of the show more or less through their eyes. Sometimes I liken it almost to a Stockholm Syndrome, where you as the viewer start to see things as they do, which is a danger when you're talking about a guy as warped as Walter White."