should have ended on season 4!
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swolbach — 9 years ago(October 02, 2016 01:42 AM)
Lief found it after 3 rewatches, but I'm a bit suspicious he might have gotten some help (found it only a few minutes after guessing wrong), but will give him the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps people would have Rabid Dog in their top 10, if they watched it so many times looking for that bear
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InglouriousSister — 9 years ago(October 02, 2016 02:12 AM)
I actually have Rabid Dog in my TOP 10. Sans bear.
I love that episode, but it's because I really enjoyed the Jesse-Hank team up, something I know a bunch of people have a problem with.
Do you even know what honor is?- A horse.
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akshayug05 — 9 years ago(October 02, 2016 04:35 AM)
u liked Walt and ur Favourate Skyler's House burned up with all their things and their family end up homeless.
that thankless traitor jesse, who betrayed the person who saved his life many times.i started hating him from there, although he has my favorite . that coward deserved the punishment he got after that.
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InglouriousSister — 9 years ago(October 02, 2016 05:12 AM)
Seriously dude, you need to calm your tits. Every time I comment on any of your threads you go into histrionics that would be over the top for a hormonal teenage girl who's just been dumped by her boyfriend. And sadist, what? How?
Jesse is my favorite character, and I always rooted for him first and foremost. Walt manipulated Jesse for years and I don't blame him for snapping, although to be honest, I don't think Jesse would ever actually have gone to the DEA had Hank not caught him red-handed trying to burn down Walt's house (cause yeah, that's more like a Jesse thing to do than going to the authorities.) As for Skyler, I don't even like her for half of the show - although I understand most of her actions - you just assume I do because I am a woman and you can't help but apply some weird gender agenda to everything.
Do you even know what honor is?- A horse.
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akshayug05 — 9 years ago(October 02, 2016 09:05 AM)
hey calm down, its nothing personal, but u piss me off with ur thinking, ideas or remarks pretty bad.
its Perfect to call "sadist" to someone who likes the worst bad thing happen to good person.
Jesse going to burn Mr. White and his Family's house, seriously u like that?
by the way
Jesse is not an innocent
that he can go to DEA and tell about Walt, because guess what, he is equally Wanted criminal (partner) too. he is also afraid of getting caught by cops, stupid!
and Hank and Jesse were enemies, and Jesse wanted him nearly dead. walt saved Hank from Jesse too.
its sad to see the persons who u have saved thier lives many times, loved them and care about them so much, considered them as family (Hank and Jesse) teaming up to destroy you completly (Betrayal).
after rewatching i have become too soft on Jesse, compared to 1st time, as this time i see the story from his piont too. -
lief_peterson — 9 years ago(October 02, 2016 09:18 AM)
@swolbach
Easter eggs spoiler kinda lol for those who care
No I swear I didnt get any help. You mentioned it was in a scene with Jesse, and then when you pointed out that what I thought was the teddy bear wasn't the one you were talking about, I went back and watched Jesse's scenes and bam! There it wasits weird because it seems so glaringly obvious after.
I would never dishonor a bb challenge like that lol I wanted the satisfaction of finding it for myself. I was reluctant to even ask for a hint, i wanted to be able to say i found it all on my own, especially after never noticing the Walt cameo lol but after 3 rewatches I was like 'ok where in the F is this thing?!?' So I relented and asked for the hint, which sucked lol
I'm way to much of a die hard fan to cheat, because it would have been a shot to my pride lol seriously. -
lief_peterson — 9 years ago(October 02, 2016 09:53 AM)
@inglorioussorry I meant to reply directly to your post, I do all my posts from my phone tho my laptop just crapped out so I'm still getting used to the mobile version. Anyways
Okay yeah if you look at it that way, by comparing it to some of the other characters, I can see what you're saying.
However I go back and look at how beat down and broken Walt was in those final few episodes, and his 'i don't give a sh!t about what happens to me as long as I get my business handled first' attitude he had. I think one of the biggest blows he took was losing his relationship with Jr. When he called him and his son asked him 'why are you still alive? Why wont you just die already?'holy Fi personally felt horrible for him. His family was literally everything to him. I think they ended it very well in line with the constant direction of the series, and its just like Jesse said to hank and Gomez 'He's smarter than you, and hes luckier than you' and I think that was very well said. Walt was always very lucky, it was amazing he even stayed alive as long as he did after everything he had gone through, not to mention the cancer. Luck always played a huge part in walts survival, and I thought the ending kept in line with that consistently. Lil the nazis showing up in the desert standoff, the scene where mikes about to kill Walt but Walt calls Jesse and manages to save his own life, the scene where hank has Jesse and Walt in the RV and Walt has a call made to hank regarding Marie getting in an accident, and those are just the ones off the top of my head. He survived by the skin of his teeth countless times.
I felt like if I was Jesse, I would not have been stupid enough to think that working with hank and Gomez would be enough to take Walt down. Him getting taken by the nazis was in a way his own fault. He knew how dangerous Walt was, and how quick a plan can go sideways lol not saying he could have known that would happen, but he should have known that things might not go as planned by luring Walt into the desert, given how lucky Walt has been in the past. Jesse should have just left with Ed, period.
Hank and Gomez getting killed, thats just an occupational hazard I think, as Saul would say
And thank you, I like talking to you about Walt for your different perspective too, I always enjoy reading your posts because I know they're always well thought out and interesting.
Mike was a fan favorite, and a lot of people hated him getting killed. I personally didn't expect the business relationship he entered with Walt to end on a positive note though. I didn't know what was going to happen, but I had a feeling it would end badly, as things did for almost anyone involved with Walt. Mike shouldn't have tested Walt that one last time, but he couldn't resist, even though he knew how dangerous Walt was. He should have ignored walts 'You're welcome!' And drove awaybut alas, it wasn't meant to be lol
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InglouriousSister — 9 years ago(October 02, 2016 10:23 AM)
Hank and Gomez getting killed, thats just an occupational hazard I think, as Saul would say
Jesse should have just left with Ed, period.
I agree with both these points. I think Hank getting killed was largely his own fault, I feel more badly for Gomie because Hank sort of dragged him into the whole situation but then again he should have stood his ground and refused to go rogue. I feel like Hank should have put his own, Gomie and Jesse's safety before his career and not gone to confront Walt on his own. If they had stormed the desert with half the DEA, surely Jack and co would have ended up dead or arrested.
And yes, Jesse should have left with Ed. I get that he was angry, but what happened to him after could have been avoided if he had just kept his calm and gone away. I understand why he didn't, and why he wanted vengeance on Walt, but in hindsight it was a very bad call on his part. But Walt also brought being ratted on on himself, he never would have had to poison Brock in the first place and created that situation if he hadn't gone on his "I hope you get buried in the Mexican desert!" freak out in 'Bug'. He completely alienated Jesse in that episode, only to predictably need him back just a couple of episodes later. It was very shortsighted on his part - if he indeed was worried (and rightfully so) about Gus wanting to replace him with Jesse the stupidest thing he could do was anger Jesse. Actually, again applying the benefit of hindsight, if Jesse had simply let Gus kill Walt after returning from Mexico, most of our main characters would have been better off. I didn't want that to happen though, because I did feel like Gus had to be taken down.
When Hank cornered him at Walt's house though, Jesse really had no other option than to rat on Walt. As far as he (and Hank) knew he was dead the moment the APD or the DEA took him in, since everyone else who knew of Heisenberg's operation ended up dead in prison - rat or no rat. So it was kill or get killed type of a scenario, and I guess the reason I enjoyed it so much is that for once Jesse had the upper hand on Walt, although he was totally at Hank's mercy. I'm extremely biased because Jesse's my favorite TV character of all time though.
Also from a pure story-telling point of view, I loved the whole scheme they pulled to get Walt into the desert. That drive to To'hajiilee and the phone call is one of my favorite scenes in the whole show.
When he called him and his son asked him 'why are you still alive? Why wont you just die already?'holy Fi personally felt horrible for him
Oh man, yes, that was brutal! But like what's-his-name said, maybe I am a sadist, because in a way I enjoyed it What I always liked about Breaking Bad is that the main characters felt so realistic, most of Walt's "I'm so badass" moments were a simple facade, behind it he acted like a normal human being would (he panicked, despaired and feared in situations where most people would.) I don't really enjoy many "alpha male" type protagonists, and seeing Walt brought so low and visibly so upset about it made him feel even more real, and I did feel chagrined for him even though I had so long ago lost most sympathy for his plight.
I always enjoy reading your posts because I know they're always well thought out and interesting.
Right back at you.
Do you even know what honor is?- A horse.
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swolbach — 9 years ago(October 02, 2016 10:38 AM)
Good points.
Don't think Jesse should have even gone to the desert with Hank and Gomey. He should have made a deal ahead of time, that he gets left go if he gives them Heisenberg. Once he completed the call and Walt confessed, he should have headed right for Ed. -
lief_peterson — 9 years ago(October 02, 2016 10:55 AM)
Thats something I thought was VERY stupid on Jesse's part. He never made any kind of deal whatsoever. I know he was preoccupied with his revenge plans, but damn. He really should have negotiated some sort of immunity or reduced sentence..or better yet just let him walk away after he helped them, like you said.
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swolbach — 9 years ago(October 02, 2016 11:02 AM)
Yeah, since they would likely have used his confession tape along with the call as evidence (assuming they can get the recording of the call), Jesse would have confessed to murder, so would need to use Ed to stay free, IMO.
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InglouriousSister — 9 years ago(October 02, 2016 11:02 AM)
Don't think Jesse should have even gone to the desert with Hank and Gomey. He should have made a deal ahead of time, that he gets left go if he gives them Heisenberg. Once he completed the call and Walt confessed, he should have headed right for Ed.
I don't think he could go to Ed anymore though since I think Saul said it was a "one time opportunity." Realistically thinking, I think Jack and co would have found him and made him their meth slave anyways, whether or not he had been in the desert. Jesse was doomed the moment he ratted on Walt (or no, the moment he tried burning down his house actually) but at least he took Walt and even Hank who he hated down with himkind off. Although I think Jesse would probably have been better off being summarily executed in prison or a safe house somewhere, than being held prisoner by a bunch of Nazis for months. And Andrea wouldn't have died, something I am sure Jesse will never forgive himself for.
Do you even know what honor is?- A horse.
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lief_peterson — 9 years ago(October 02, 2016 11:56 AM)
Oh come on now, how bad did Jesse have it, really?
I meanthey gave him ice cream LOL
No I think we talked about this in another thread, but Jesse should have struck a deal with hank and Gomez. That would definitely have been his best option. I mean, he wasn't completely screwed when hank caught him at walts. I'm not sure but I think the most they could have got him for was pretty minor stuff. Breaking and entering, maybe reckless driving? Since nobody was home at the time its not like he could have gotten charged for attempted murder and he hadn't set the place on fire yet so no arson charge either.
His teaming up with hank without a deal was unbelievably sloppy. He would have been better off letting hank charge him for the petty laws he had broken and then tried to kill Walt himself. Arrange a meet to talk somewhere private to make Walt let down his guard and then shot him and destroy the evidencetheres a lot of routes he could have gone to do it. Walt was open to mending their relationship after all.
Interesting idea about the nazis catching Jesse and using him as a slave either way, but not sure they wouldn't just have killed him for Walt like they were supposed to. I guess it would all have depended on Todd lol -
InglouriousSister — 9 years ago(October 03, 2016 01:20 AM)
Loved that ice cream scene. Todd is just such a psycho. Like "sorry we tortured you and killed your girlfriend, but I brought
two
types of ice cream! Why are you moping?"
I think the Jesse-Todd relationship in general is pretty fantastic, they are both Walt/Heisenberg's apprentices but the polar opposites of one another.
And yeah, Jesse really should have made a better deal with Hank, but in the end it would not have mattered I guess, since Hank got killed and all He couldn't have let himself be taken in for any minor offense though, because as far as he knew (and he was probably correct) Walt would have organized a hit on him as soon as he was taken in somewhere.
Interesting idea about the nazis catching Jesse and using him as a slave either way, but not sure they wouldn't just have killed him for Walt like they were supposed to. I guess it would all have depended on Todd lol
Like they said in the desert, they didn't know what Jesse had told the DEA. So they would have had to bring Jesse in and torture that information out of him anyways. So I can't see them just killing Jesse on Walt's orders. I'm also not quite sure if Jesse would have skipped town at that point. Walt left his family at Jack's mercy (and they came pretty close to Skyler and Holly, so that was a bit of a gamble on Walt's part) but I don't think Jesse at that point could have done the same to Andrea and Brock. Would he have fled having ratted out a bunch of Neo Nazis, and left them behind, unprotected? As far as he knew they weren't in danger before (when he first contemplated leaving in Confessions) but surely he knew they were by To'Hajiilee, and that the Nazis would go after them to get to Jesse. So I doubt he would have left, unless Andrea agreed to go with him. Despite Jesse being so emotional and wearing his heart of his sleeve, I always thought he had more courage than Walt. I mean he had the balls to stand up to Gus (love that scene, even Mike looks surprised) for a child he had never met, and was ready to die for it. Of course there, as often was the case, Jesse's courage manifested itself as recklessness and folly
Do you even know what honor is?- A horse.