Plot hole?
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bbramsen — 13 years ago(December 31, 2012 06:01 PM)
You must have missed a good chunk of the exhange. He said they used to find women from Eastern Europe and bring them over on promise as nannies or housekeepers and then they'd drug them and sell them, but they started just kidnapping vacationers because it saved on the transportation costs (from eastern Europe to France).
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bbramsen — 13 years ago(January 06, 2013 08:17 PM)
Because the western girls were already there on their own accord so they didn't have to pay the money to transport the Eastern European ones to where they were. I don't see how that's a plot hole. It's messed up, but it makes business sense.
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met76 — 13 years ago(January 07, 2013 09:50 AM)
Because the western girls were already there on their own accord so they didn't have to pay the money to transport the Eastern European ones to where they were. I don't see how that's a plot hole. It's messed up, but it makes business sense.
It doesn't IMO as Western tourists generally have much wealthier families than Eastern European au pair girls, and will very likely spend a lot of their money to get their children back, which again will put the traffickers under trouble. Travelling through Europe is a lot easier compared to that. If someone disagrees, he can show me a source which confirms Western tourists are more likely to get kidnapped and sold in Europe than people from Eastern Europe. -
mikeyg24 — 13 years ago(January 15, 2013 02:11 AM)
Yes wealthier but they don't all have the type of finances to manage what you're suggesting. Remember Sam tells Bryan that he had a 96 hour window. That's four days, and that was from a CIA analyst, if the CIA considered it a lost cause after four days I'm pretty sure an American family however rich they are would have no hope. In fact the only reason Bryan was even able to save her is because he knew exactly when it happened and had the full window.
And no it's not easier than that. Girls from the East have to be provided with false documentation, passports, travel visa's, work permits all of which cost money. It's the easiest thing in the world to just kidnap a girl at the airport.
Your's sincerely, General Joseph Liebgott -
met76 — 13 years ago(January 15, 2013 06:41 AM)
You're probably unaware of the current situations in the European Union. You don't need any visas or passports to travel from EU country to EU country, there are no border controls. Getting someone from Eastern Europe to France should be pretty easy.
And still waiting for that source to show that Western tourists are more likely to get kidnapped and sold to sex slavery than Eastern Europeans. -
mikeyg24 — 13 years ago(January 15, 2013 09:34 AM)
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Serbia, Montenegro, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, FYR Macedonia,
Albania
, Belarus, Moldova, Liechtenstein, Russia and Ukraine are NOT members of the EU and work visa's and passports are certainly required to gain access to member states. In fact a visa is required to
enter
Russia at a cost of about 900 euro, so you need to learn your facts my friend.
And secondly what source were you promised? The other poster and I are merely pointing out the logic in the movie that it's easier to kidnap EU, US and Antipodean travelers arriving in France than it is to bring Eastern European girls into the country on their own dollar.
Your's sincerely, General Joseph Liebgott -
met76 — 13 years ago(January 15, 2013 01:52 PM)
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Serbia, Montenegro, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, FYR Macedonia, Albania, Belarus, Moldova, Liechtenstein, Russia and Ukraine are NOT members of the EU and work visa's and passports are certainly required to gain access to member states. In fact a visa is required to enter Russia at a cost of about 900 euro, so you need to learn your facts my friend.
Did I say they were? Just show me the quote where I did claim these countries are EU members. And what does Liechtenstein have to do with this? Weren't we talking about EASTERN Europe? Or did you simply copy this list of nations from Wikipedia without even knowing where they are located on the map? It seems to me like you're the one with no idea. What an embarassing silliness to include Liechtenstein on this list. Are you aware that many Eastern European nations are EU members? Did you even visit Europe once?
Again, I will stick to my claim. Human traffickers preferring American tourists to kidnap over poor Eastern European girls because "travelling them through Europe is difficult" is absolutely ridiculous and far from reality. Again, if someone intends to convince me otherwise, he can show me a source which shows it's that way in reality. -
mikeyg24 — 13 years ago(January 15, 2013 08:40 PM)
You're probably unaware of the current situations in the European Union. You don't need any visas or passports to travel from EU country to EU country, there are no border controls. Getting someone from Eastern Europe to France should be pretty easy.
I didn't say you did, did I? You said there was 'easy' movement in Europe due to the EU, I replied with a list of non EU states, not just eastern European countries that would require all sorts of documentation.
In any case you're an obtuse idiot like a dog with a bone. I have better things to do than spoon feed someones stupidity to them. You can reply but you're ignored. BTW I'm from Europe.
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met76 — 13 years ago(January 16, 2013 09:31 AM)
I didn't say you did, did I? You said there was 'easy' movement in Europe due to the EU, I replied with a list of non EU states, not just eastern European countries that would require all sorts of documentation.
Learn. to. read. I didn't say "It is easy to travel to every country in Europe", what I said was that it is easy to travel tom EU country to EU country without any passport controls. You call me an idiot for whatever reason you didn't specify yet you fail to unterstand the content of what you're replying to.
Cursing at me yet you again failed to give a source which states human traffickers prefer American tourists over poor Eastern European girls as their victims. Conclusion is you didn't contribute one thing to the topic.
One more thing: You claim you're from Europe but don't know the location of Liechtenstein on a map? Sure, buddy -
riddlebox1789 — 13 years ago(March 08, 2013 12:48 AM)
I say 25/75, either that or he's one of those that have to squint their eyes when they watch movies to try and find the tiniest flaws they can to piss and moan about even if they're not exactly flaws.
It's not difficult to comprehend, the kidnappers took girls arriving in France because it was better for them as they no longer had to pay for transportation, by kidnapping girls that arrive their on their own they're cutting off the cost of an expensive plane ticket, therefor keeping money in their wallets.
Really, it takes all of thirty seconds to read that and understand it, and you my friend (not talking to the guy I'm replying to, talking to the guy who started this thread) are either slow so you should've rewound the movie and watched that part again, or you weren't old enough to watch the movie in the first place and you can't understand it because you're too young to get it, or you're just too stupid. -
met76 — 12 years ago(June 01, 2013 03:37 PM)
Really, it takes all of thirty seconds to read that and understand it, and you my friend (not talking to the guy I'm replying to, talking to the guy who started this thread) are either slow so you should've rewound the movie and watched that part again, or you weren't old enough to watch the movie in the first place and you can't understand it because you're too young to get it, or you're just too stupid.
I'm neither of the above. Just give me a real source which says Western tourists are more likely to become sex slaves than Eastern Europeans. Just give me one single source. And if you say "It's not like that in real life", I ask you: Why is it not like that in real life when it's so much easier to get Western tourists as stated in the movie? -
riddlebox1789 — 12 years ago(June 01, 2013 06:51 PM)
Why should I give you a source that says Western tourists are more likely to become sex slaves than Eastern Europeans when nobody is even saying that but you?
All we're trying to get you to understand is that it was easier and cheaper for the traffickers to just get them after they've flown in so they don't have to pay for their plane tickets.
How in the hell is this so difficult for you to understand? You're not really doing a good job at proving you're A) Old enough to understand what's going on. B) Even able to understand what's going on regardless of age. Or C) Are just too stupid to understand it. -
met76 — 12 years ago(June 02, 2013 07:43 AM)
Why should I give you a source that says Western tourists are more likely to become sex slaves than Eastern Europeans when nobody is even saying that but you?
All we're trying to get you to understand is that it was easier and cheaper for the traffickers to just get them after they've flown in so they don't have to pay for their plane tickets.
How in the hell is this so difficult for you to understand? You're not really doing a good job at proving you're A) Old enough to understand what's going on. B) Even able to understand what's going on regardless of age. Or C) Are just too stupid to understand it.
Such a foolish and ridiculous explanation is just not enough to prove it for me, sorry. For example, Eastern European or European au pairs are in the country as well and do not cost any plane tickets. And who cares about plane tickets if you can just get girls from the same continent which you can easily transport to the country due to free borders and no controls.
Why do I want a source? I want a source because if the explanation given in the movie was as logical and simple as you claim it is, surely human traffickers would pick up this strategy to gain as much profit as possible with no need of "buying plane tickets". But they don't, apparently. Why not? Because if some American or Canadian girls went missing, it would generate a lot more media and public attention and put a lot more pressure on politics and police force to stop these kidnappings.
And could you please stop with these childish and laughable accusations of me being too young or not intelligent enough? It's not a very mature style of arguing at all. -
TheCommenteer — 12 years ago(December 09, 2013 02:36 AM)
"neither of the above"
Yep, stupid. 0/100.
This whole thing is easily understood by everyone but you, that should be a hint. This isn't a questionable contentious point, its a simple explanation of a simple comment and you just don't get it. Maybe quit while you're behind?
It is actually difficult to argue with you, because you present ridiculous tangents that have no relevance to the discussion. I hope for your sake you're trolling.