Plot hole?
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met76 — 12 years ago(June 01, 2013 03:37 PM)
Really, it takes all of thirty seconds to read that and understand it, and you my friend (not talking to the guy I'm replying to, talking to the guy who started this thread) are either slow so you should've rewound the movie and watched that part again, or you weren't old enough to watch the movie in the first place and you can't understand it because you're too young to get it, or you're just too stupid.
I'm neither of the above. Just give me a real source which says Western tourists are more likely to become sex slaves than Eastern Europeans. Just give me one single source. And if you say "It's not like that in real life", I ask you: Why is it not like that in real life when it's so much easier to get Western tourists as stated in the movie? -
riddlebox1789 — 12 years ago(June 01, 2013 06:51 PM)
Why should I give you a source that says Western tourists are more likely to become sex slaves than Eastern Europeans when nobody is even saying that but you?
All we're trying to get you to understand is that it was easier and cheaper for the traffickers to just get them after they've flown in so they don't have to pay for their plane tickets.
How in the hell is this so difficult for you to understand? You're not really doing a good job at proving you're A) Old enough to understand what's going on. B) Even able to understand what's going on regardless of age. Or C) Are just too stupid to understand it. -
met76 — 12 years ago(June 02, 2013 07:43 AM)
Why should I give you a source that says Western tourists are more likely to become sex slaves than Eastern Europeans when nobody is even saying that but you?
All we're trying to get you to understand is that it was easier and cheaper for the traffickers to just get them after they've flown in so they don't have to pay for their plane tickets.
How in the hell is this so difficult for you to understand? You're not really doing a good job at proving you're A) Old enough to understand what's going on. B) Even able to understand what's going on regardless of age. Or C) Are just too stupid to understand it.
Such a foolish and ridiculous explanation is just not enough to prove it for me, sorry. For example, Eastern European or European au pairs are in the country as well and do not cost any plane tickets. And who cares about plane tickets if you can just get girls from the same continent which you can easily transport to the country due to free borders and no controls.
Why do I want a source? I want a source because if the explanation given in the movie was as logical and simple as you claim it is, surely human traffickers would pick up this strategy to gain as much profit as possible with no need of "buying plane tickets". But they don't, apparently. Why not? Because if some American or Canadian girls went missing, it would generate a lot more media and public attention and put a lot more pressure on politics and police force to stop these kidnappings.
And could you please stop with these childish and laughable accusations of me being too young or not intelligent enough? It's not a very mature style of arguing at all. -
TheCommenteer — 12 years ago(December 09, 2013 02:36 AM)
"neither of the above"
Yep, stupid. 0/100.
This whole thing is easily understood by everyone but you, that should be a hint. This isn't a questionable contentious point, its a simple explanation of a simple comment and you just don't get it. Maybe quit while you're behind?
It is actually difficult to argue with you, because you present ridiculous tangents that have no relevance to the discussion. I hope for your sake you're trolling. -
met76 — 12 years ago(December 10, 2013 03:40 AM)
"neither of the above"
Yep, stupid. 0/100.
This whole thing is easily understood by everyone but you, that should be a hint. This isn't a questionable contentious point, its a simple explanation of a simple comment and you just don't get it. Maybe quit while you're behind?
It is actually difficult to argue with you, because you present ridiculous tangents that have no relevance to the discussion. I hope for your sake you're trolling.
You know, one can argue against someone's point and try to invalidate his or her arguments in an adult, mature way, without attacking the person, without calling him or her stupid. It may seem hard to you, but it's possible! Aside from that, "the whole thing is easily understood by everyone but you" isn't true as several people in this thread agree with me. So try again. fella. -
TheCommenteer — 12 years ago(December 10, 2013 06:01 PM)
Actually I was responding specifically to the point referencing 3 potential options to explain behaviour. Hence the 0/100. I didn't make the criteria so don't go pointing fingers at me.
Sorry, I'll correct my point then:
The whole thing is easily understood by most people with common sense -
TheCommenteer — 12 years ago(December 11, 2013 04:39 AM)
The whole thing, what is meant, how it works, how it isn't a plot hole, how it's really straight forward and you're reading far too much into it and finally how I get more and more suspicious that you're trolling.
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met76 — 12 years ago(December 11, 2013 11:01 AM)
The whole thing, what is meant, how it works, how it isn't a plot hole, how it's really straight forward and you're reading far too much into it and finally how I get more and more suspicious that you're trolling.
Well maybe not a plot hole entirely, but certainly a plot flaw since evidently this human trafficking thing as seen in the movie doesn't happen in the real world, and was just made that way in the movie so that American viewers can relate to the characters better, as pointed out by another user. If the movie is set in the real world, with a totally fictitious plot (e.g. the Albanian mafia regularly kidnaps American tourists in France) which doesn't make too much sense, it is at least a plot flaw to me. -
maria_selymesi — 11 years ago(March 18, 2015 07:37 AM)
You are almost right, only you are confounding the EU with the Schengen Area. There is a big overlap, but still they're two separate things. There are EU countries that aren't members of the Schengen Area, and non-EU countries (e.g. Switzerland)that are.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area
That being said, I agree that the American or Western European tourists are less likely to became victims then the Eastern Europeans. Furthermore, I don't see how such a trafficking ring would hold up for an extended period of time. After the first girls reported missing, the State Department and it's foreign counterparts would immediately be all over it, and if a pattern emerges, no internal corruption in the French police would be able to resist that kind of pressure.
To me, it would have made more sense if it was a one-time big operation. American and Western European girls who can afford to travel to Paris certainly make a better "merchandize" than the poor Eastern Europeans (they certainly have better teeth :), are easier to case in an airport and to grab then transporting them there or running around Paris searching for au-pairs.
Regardless of this, I enjoyed the movie. It's one of the few movies where I am able to watch someone being tortured without batting an eye.
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P-K-One — 12 years ago(September 22, 2013 10:15 PM)
Girls from the East have to be provided with false documentation, passports, travel visa's, work permits all of which cost money.
Actually: NO.
Because they are never actually going to work, they do not need work visa or any kind of special permit. All they need is passports and some form of tourist visa.
If the girl is smart and wants to see a work permit before leaving the country, you could just tell the girl that this is a first visit to get them to know the family they are supposed to work with to see if they like her, a kind of job interview and that therefore going through all the paperwork would be premature.
And tourist visas are cheap. A 5 day visa from the UK to Russia costs 50 pounds, to pick up your Russia example. I doubt it's going to be more from any Eastern European country to France. -
TheAdvocator — 11 years ago(June 03, 2014 10:46 PM)
Ready my post again. It still makes no sense and it's still a plot hole IMO.
Even if that was a legitimate problem it's not a plot hole. What exactly are you finding wrong with it?
Again that's not what a plot hole is.
If you pirate media, you do not get to have an opinion on it. -
SinJinQLA — 12 years ago(May 23, 2013 10:42 AM)
The way I saw it was that girls travelling from, say, America to France might be more naive/excited/culture shocked. So having a suave foreign guy approach them and call them princess would work wonders to drop their defenses. I'm not saying EU girls are smarter or anything, but they might be less awestruck by, say, a French accent, than an American girl who has never left the States would be. Therefore it would just be easier to get them to go along with you or invite you in or whatever. In other words American girls are easily wooed by foreign guys.
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massawar-1 — 12 years ago(May 26, 2013 02:00 PM)
They used to bring girls from Europe to America and then turn them into prostitutes. But that was pricey, because of having to pay to transport them from Europe to America. So they started kidnapping vacationing girls IN Europe. And you are right that Western families have more money, but the kidnappers have no intentions of ransoming them. Doing a ransom is tricky and might lead to them getting caught. They strictly deal in taking girls and using them as prostitutes. So that's why its cheaper to kidnap travelers, because you don't have to pay transportation fees.
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bloopville — 12 years ago(October 04, 2013 10:16 AM)
Despite the "explanation" in the movie, your criticism is valid. Prostitution, like any other business, tries to manage risk.
There is a huge supply of attractive and reasonably educated girls and women from Eastern Europe who are low cost resources for the scum that manage them. Some are convinced to come here with the old tactic of a job promise, and then the standard prostitute- making brutality, but many of the girls that we see here in Europe are tech savvy, city women who know exactly what they are getting into when they come to western Europe.
I can only imagine how hopeless life must be in Romania or Belarus that standing on the street on an Italian ring road waiting for an unwashed truck driver is a better alternative, but life in the former soviet bloc is tough. I feel for these girls.
Here in my part of Italy, it is mostly Romanian gangs that "manage" the girls. They had a little territorial shoot out the other night, and the town fathers cracked down on them and put them out of business for a month.
Adding influential and wealthy fathers to the mix of risks wouldn't make for good business, and this part of the movie, as well as many other parts, didn't ring true.