Why do people think Bran is a villain….?
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CheruthCutestoryII — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 12:52 PM)
This is ridiculous. The COTF were wiped out by their own creations and it is 100% their own fault. The fact that there was only a couple left isn't remotely on Bran.
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D_Stormborn — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 01:04 PM)
Bran putting his nose where it didn't belong and thus allowing the WW to enter the cave was the reason everybody and their wolf got killed. Even you can't ping that on the Children.
"Art is magic delivered from the lie of being truth"
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vjfoogie — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 01:11 PM)
Bloodraven knew it would all happen, and it all needed to happen for Hodor. How can you blame Bran for projecting himself outside? As if he knew the NK could magically mark him or some bogus.
Bloodraven knew of the mark, and he said nothing because all of these events HAD to happen. None of this is Bran's fault. -
CheruthCutestoryII — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 01:26 PM)
Killing two people is not a genocide.
If there are only two of your species left then whoever caused that to happen committed genocide.
If Hitler succeeded in killing all the Jews but one and then I hit that one with my car by accident I'm not guilty of genocide. Hitler is.
In this case, the COTF are responsible for their own elimination.
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vjfoogie — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 01:05 PM)
Also, Bran wouldn't have even gone to the tree if they hadn't constantly contacted him. Plus, Bloodraven knew all of this would happenhe knew why Hodor was Hodor meaning he knew the NK would get inside the tree.
The CotF not only died by THEIR OWN WEAPON, but they freely fought to protect Bran. It is laughable how people can accuse Bran of genocide.blame the CotF for creating a weapon they couldn't control. -
CheruthCutestoryII — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 01:32 PM)
I really, really like the Bran is a villain theory from the books.
But it isn't actually based on anything he's ever done or said.
In the books, I think it popped up because Bloodraven is kind of an ambiguous character. And it's entirely possible that BR could be evil. Not for sure but it's possible. If so, then Bran is being lead on a path to become a villain.
It's also stuff like Bran taking over Hodor's mind. Which is shown (in the books) to be considered a pretty evil act by the culture of skinchangers. So, unintentionally, he's on a path that has him doing some stuff that is considered to be pretty evil by people familiar with the skinchanger lifestyle.
It's just a theory. Not more basis than Varys is a mermaid.
And in the show I'd say it has no basis. Since the 3ER isn't even BR. And we aren't given the bit about not warging humans.
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CheruthCutestoryII — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 01:51 PM)
I do but I think it's a fair point to make that it's different.
Most people don't think Bran has evil intentions. But that he is perhaps being molded by someone with evil intentions. AND that he has
already
abused his immense power by warging Hodor.
I'd also note that thus far Bloodraven hasn't warned him against doing stuff like warging humans. When we know that for real skinchangers this is a huge no-no.
Suggesting BR isn't teaching him to put any
limits
on his power. He's not teaching him to be responsible with his god like powers. He's just teaching him how to use them. That's really concerning.
I don't think it's really that crazy to think that Bran's growing disconnect with humanity and acquisition of god like powers with few controls might lead him down the wrong path.
But, like I said, it makes more sense in the books.
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vjfoogie — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 01:55 PM)
Agreed about makes more sense in the books. I would be okay if he ended up being the lord of light, and the fire prophecies are future bran communicating. Though I hate when stories overuse time "travel" and such.
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CheruthCutestoryII — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 01:54 PM)
Also, the fact that you think it's crazy to suggest someone with god like powers but has shown no inclination to put checks on that power might be a villain but also think Sansa might be a villain is beep nuts.
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Rhaegal76 — 9 years ago(January 14, 2017 11:57 AM)
Name 1 real thing Sansa has done that makes her out to be villainous.
If anyone would say "not telling Jon about the Vale" that does not make her a villain.
All the crap in Season 1..and probably season 2 was her being a child that grew up sheltered and privelaged. Again, not villainous.