He sold a young girl to a family whom he knew hated his own and nothing else about them. The girl's mother was adamant a
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janhommer — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 10:02 AM)
You could argue that if Cersei wasn't hellbent on making Tyrion guilty then Marcella would still be alive since no trial would have happened.
Well, yeah, alright, you could say that. Still, Tyrion should have known about the sand snakes and what they're capable of, if only by
specifically
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Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 10:04 AM)
I shall argue that Cersei and everyone else sincerely believed in Tyrion's guilt. My opinion is that Shae's testimony wasn't forced, she came up with it to get herself out of trouble, unless unless he did conspire the whole thing with Sansa and got played.
Long may she reign
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vjfoogie — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 10:27 AM)
Sansa definitely wasn't involved. She couldn't have poisoned the drink since only one stone was missing. The stone is clearly taken by QoT, now how she put it in the drink with nobody seeing it is beyond me.
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CheruthCutestoryII — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:11 AM)
He tore a child from the arms of her mother without consent of her mother and gave her to unknown people who he knew were hostile.
Are you beep kidding me?
And, btw, that's not normal. Most times we do see parents have a say in who their child marries. He did it as much to spite Cersei as to secure the alliance.
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vjfoogie — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:17 AM)
I'm not saying I would have done it or that I think it was okay. I was simply pointing out, it would have worked if the sand snakes weren't retarded. Marcella ended up falling in love with Doran, and all would have been well.
There would have been some kind of uproar, but ultimately without the sand snakes that alliance would have worked.
Tyrion did it as a power move over Cersei, but politically it was a decent move. Again, I dont think it was MORALLY okay since she was crying and Cersei was against it. Everything just ended up going wrong. -
byachmon — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 11:21 AM)
And of course, nobody had any reason to believe Kings Landing would stand, and everybody knew Stannis would execute the whole family if he won. Dorne wasn't a good choice, but sending her away was.
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janhommer — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:16 AM)
I don't think Tyrion understood the consequences of killing Tywin
I guess he would have been able to anticipate them, had he cared, but he didn't, not anymore at that point and why would he? His actions were somewhat understandeable from his point-of-view,
but
that doesn't make them "
good
" in any way (which basically ges for most the characters, the biggest exeption being the psychos Joffrey and Ramsay). If he had to kill a family member, why not Cersei? I always said, killing his father was pointless, uncalled for etc..
he is far from this "do-gooder" that people like to think he is
Exactly. And that's a good thing. would be to cheesy otherwise. Being more likeable than the rest of the Lannisters doesn't make him a "good guy" in the clichd sense. He's a human being and, therefore, capable of doing selfish and/or stupid things, which occasionally he does. Not to mention he's part of this totally brutal world, by today's standards every single one of these characters would be put in jail for life, except maybe Hot Pie -
Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 08:59 AM)
I don't see how this is any different from Viserys selling Dany or LF selling Sansa.
It is worse since neither Viserys nor Littlefinger knew of a hostile predisposition of the Dothraki or the Boltons towards the woman they gave them. Sending Myrcella to the Martells was a consciously taken risk.
Why? There is no Tysha reveal.
It made no difference and even if it did, risking the stability of the realm and the fate of his family out of revenge on one man wasn't justified anyway.
Daenerys is still the worse danger but his siding with her places him in fitting company.
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vjfoogie — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:02 AM)
Viserys definitely knew and/or didn't care about how savage the Dothraki were with women. "I'd let the whole army Fock you, and their horses too if that's what it took." He really didn't care what would happen to her.
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Con_Thompson — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:04 AM)
He ordered Gregor's men to massacre civilians by the hundreds during the war of the five kings. He sacked King's Landing. He had the Targaryen babies killed. "Nobody is really innocent in GoT" is complete BS.
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Con_Thompson — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:09 AM)
There were other heirs such as Viserys and Dany, and committing such a heinous act only triggered others to start plotting against house Lannister such as Varys, Oberyn and Doran. If anything it only fueled the need for revenge.
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Silkworth-Johnson-III — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:18 AM)
The idea of wanting them all dead to quell future uprising is separate from Stannis not getting to Dragonstone on time. It actually proves the point, because Varys' efforts are due to Viserys and Dany surviving.
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vjfoogie — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:12 AM)
He ordered Gregor to raid the villageswhich is a completely normal thing to do during war. Gregor's methods are definitely overboard, but that is Gregor not Tywin.
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Con_Thompson — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:16 AM)
Gregor's methods are definitely overboard, but that is Gregor not Tywin.
It's blood on Tywin's hands by proxy, Gregor is a mindless servant. If you kill a hundred people with mustard gas, it's the guy who releases it who is accountable.
Killing the Targ babies (the bloodline) is exactly what everybody did during after wars. You don't want people still taking the Targ side due to an heir being alive.
The Starks wouldn't have done so in the same situation. The reasoning behind it is easily understandable but it doesn't make it any less evil.
